Another Job Killer (Fontana: 2013, prices, marketplace)

[Leonard64]

Originally Posted by TrueTimbers

I donno cars are a bad example, heck my truck gets the same crappy mileage know as my truck in 1990 did... ZERO improvement, maybe even went backwards...
The rest of the world they have clean diesel trucks that get 50mpg... Heck I traded out my 99 1500 with 15mpg for a tiny little 4 banger 2007 ranger and I only get 24mpg at best... Any where else in the world I could have a TDI in that same Ford Ranger truck and get 50mpg.

Sorry for being so.. jerk like... on my last post, just that China more innovative than us... gets under my patriotic skin...

I see no profit motive without the regulation to drive it.... What Joe blow that is hacking up a lung going to sue some Trillion dollar multinational polluting his air??? Ya right... Us little guys got no power against those giants with legions of lawyers.... I just don't understand... The government is OURS to protect US from the big multinationals...
Dont get it how it got twisted for some of you and the government is the bad guy.... Sure it needs cleaning up those rotten politicians seeking power and all.... But the mechanism of government is the only protection we little guys have!

Turbo Diesels in Europe emit more sulfur from the fuel they sell, which is why we don't see them here. The diesel regulations are different.

[annerk]

This article doesn't tell the entire story. The State of CA and the EPA made funding available for the Diesel Particulate Filter's (that's the technical name of the "soot filters") for a couple of years now even to private companies and individuals. It simply had to be applied for This isn't any surprise, the trucking industry has been aware of it and making the retrofits for the past two years. Any truck built during or after 2007 came with them.

The Times didn't fact check or just wanted to sensationalize the story, and you all bought into it. Sad on both accounts.

[annerk]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

No, they won't, handling cargo is far more expensive than hauling it.

Not sure why ya'll are jumping up and down over truck pollution regs. CARB dictated new tractor engines in agriculture a number of years ago. Do a little research, learn that story, and the denouement. Trucking will follow essentially the same furrow.

It already is if you are up on what's going on behind the scenes.

[RaymondChandlerLives]

Originally Posted by pch1013

If this ends up keeping smog-spewing Mexican trucks off California roads, so much the better.

Is there ANYTHING we won't blame Mexicans for?

[oldtrader]

The new added cost to haul freight through California by truck, will sure start ships going to Oregon, Washington, and Mexico to unload their cargo where it is cheaper for trucks to haul the cargo.

Potential Beneficiary-----Coos Bay Oregon, has been looking for such a potential boost for them to happen. They have been improving things, and improving the rail road out of that area. This change in costs to move freight from the port can be the thing to make things happen. They have a large bay, a strong available work force, and will put in what ever new port facilities needed.

Add in the lower cost of operating in Oregon (why a lot of companies are moving there from California), as well as the new higher cost to move freight, and the potential to move port traffic from California to Oregon is looking up.

[.highnlite]

I think that is a great idea there OldTrader, Coos Bay. It should be easy to relocate the 16,000 people that work at the Port of Los Angeles to Coos Bay. That would more than double the size of the town immediately and should be an easy task to accomplish.

Coos Bays 7 deep draft berths compare favorably to the Port of Los Angeles 209 +

The single rail line leading to Coos Bay should provide stiff competition to the mere 5 separate rail lines and rail yards at Port of Los Angeles.

The 84 miles of mountain two lane road leading to the nearest Interstate should not be a problem for truckers.

and giving up the 35 million person market of CA for the 3.5 million person market of Oregon will make life much easier for everyone who handles the cargo.

[Fontucky]

I'm pretty sure Coos Bay will be will be able to provide the equivalent of the massive Colton rail facility as well as the transportation logistics/distribution hub that is represented by the Inland Empire and its vast tracts of DC warehousing and the 7 interstates that serve them.

Not to mention upgrading Coos Bay Regional Airport to international airport status to take the place of LAX, SBD and ONT and their cargo handling. Then there are the repair and service facilities provided by Southern California Logistics Airport in Victorville.

Yep, Coos Bay is the smart choice!

[tickyul]

I used to drive the bus in Seattle, Washington. When I first started driving the older diesel buses in 1991......oh my, the filth those things put out was insane. The newer buses......night and day difference.

I think what Ca is doing is a good thing. But I think that a longer phase in period....with no grandfathering of older vehicles, would ease economic impact some. Take all of the new equipment requirements and spread the mandatory implementation over 3-5 years.

[Tex?Il?]

Originally Posted by .highnlite

I think that is a great idea there OldTrader, Coos Bay. It should be easy to relocate the 16,000 people that work at the Port of Los Angeles to Coos Bay. That would more than double the size of the town immediately and should be an easy task to accomplish.

Coos Bays 7 deep draft berths compare favorably to the Port of Los Angeles 209 +

The single rail line leading to Coos Bay should provide stiff competition to the mere 5 separate rail lines and rail yards at Port of Los Angeles.

The 84 miles of mountain two lane road leading to the nearest Interstate should not be a problem for truckers.

and giving up the 35 million person market of CA for the 3.5 million person market of Oregon will make life much easier for everyone who handles the cargo.

Well, American education is horrible when it comes to geography, so we shouldn't expect that there are those out there that think all you need is a bit lower tax rate, and boom you can recreate an economy anywhere on planet earth.

[mongozx]

This is the same thing as when CA first introduced smog emission standards decades ago. It didn't hurt the economy at all but it did create an entirely new industry which not only forced us to innovate and move forward, it cleaned up our environment. A win-win.

California: Leading the way!