No More California Dreamin' (Los Angeles, San Bernardino: homes, quality of life, taxes)

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by sprint100

You are really gulping the Kool-Aid LOL Every year they have said the budget is balanced or came out with a budget just to find out it's not working a few months later.
Just ignore teachers getting laid off, the furloughs, citys either in or near bankruptcy.



California's bad dream: Budget deficit hits $16B, unemployment 11%, businesses exit | Human Events - from May 2012, can't trust more current stuff because someone always comes out with a powerpoint proclaiming we got it fixed

Scandals Show California Is Broken, Not Broke - Bloomberg

Oh good. Another Kool-Aid reference.

Listen, you realize your "Bad dream" link is a year old right? Since before the budget solutions and elections, falling unemployment, rising real estate, prices and other recovery evolutions. You say you can't trust anything newer? But it's okay to rely on outdated information made irrelevant by current status? All budgets for all states, federal and foreign governments too, are subject to challenges, changes, downsides. But not all states and countries have anything near to California's natural and cultural and technological resources to negotiate a forward course. Can't beat the place with a stick.

Apparently ok to also just ignore the links I provided for multiple sources addressing California's extremely high ranking for governmental honesty. For every scandal in California I can show you more in other places. Corruption has always been a part of civilization. There is nothing unique about California having its share. But it is commendable that its share is small at this time.

Perhaps you are one who enjoys hyperbole and unsupportable innuendo over facts?

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I knew LA had pretty bad air quality, just that I haven't experienced it. Or heard of anyone doing that where they're unable to breath, such as the poster I quoted had said.

[nslander]

Originally Posted by ketch89

Check this on a regular basis, and compare it to other cities:

AIRNow - Central LA CO, CA Air Quality

Air in Los Angeles is certainly better than in Beijing, but it's among the worst for major metro areas in the U.S.

Plug in NYC and see what color it is now.

[atgss]

Originally Posted by nslander

Plug in NYC and see what color it is now.

I've vacationed in California and visited during the Winter and Spring being up and down the coast and all I can say that me living in Northern NJ by NYC at the time I never had to wash a car windshield so much as when I've been in California - all that "lovely" black icky garbage especially settling on the top edge of the windshield wipers after a nights sleep.

California is beautiful though.

[nslander]

Originally Posted by lol-its-good4U

I've vacationed in California and visited during the Winter and Spring being up and down the coast and all I can say that me living in Northern NJ by NYC at the time I never had to wash a car windshield so much as when I've been in California - all that "lovely" black icky garbage especially settling on the top edge of the windshield wipers after a nights sleep.

California is beautiful though.

Fair enough. But currently the air is even more unhealthy in the NE. My point being, when considering relative qualities of something as nebulous as air, particularly as between cities, it’s a matter of degrees and frequency, as opposed to simply good/bad.

[sprint100]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Oh good. Another Kool-Aid reference.

Listen, you realize your "Bad dream" link is a year old right? Since before the budget solutions and elections, falling unemployment, rising real estate, prices and other recovery evolutions. You say you can't trust anything newer? But it's okay to rely on outdated information made irrelevant by current status? All budgets for all states, federal and foreign governments too, are subject to challenges, changes, downsides. But not all states and countries have anything near to California's natural and cultural and technological resources to negotiate a forward course. Can't beat the place with a stick.

Apparently ok to also just ignore the links I provided for multiple sources addressing California's extremely high ranking for governmental honesty. For every scandal in California I can show you more in other places. Corruption has always been a part of civilization. There is nothing unique about California having its share. But it is commendable that its share is small at this time.

Perhaps you are one who enjoys hyperbole and unsupportable innuendo over facts?

You do realize that anybody can say this'll work and present it but really won't know for sure until several months almost a year later. If you kept up on stuff you would know this from all the budgets that were passed years before then they had to be done over. Come back in a few months to a year and see if things are as rosy as they present?

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by sprint100

You do realize that anybody can say this'll work and present it but really won't know for sure until several months almost a year later. If you kept up on stuff you would know this from all the budgets that were passed years before then they had to be done over. Come back in a few months to a year and see if things are as rosy as they present?

You continue to miss the point - that what you describe is not unique to California. It is called life as usual all around the nation and world. People make the best predictions they can in an uncertain world. You also ignore California's unique global position that enables it to constantly adjust and lead. It appears you have some negative personal agenda about California. I am curious about this California-bashing by posters from other places. How does the state of my state affect you?

[sprint100]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

You continue to miss the point - that what you describe is not unique to California. It is called life as usual all around the nation and world. People make the best predictions they can in an uncertain world. You also ignore California's unique global position that enables it to constantly adjust and lead. It appears you have some negative personal agenda about California. I am curious about this California-bashing by posters from other places. How does the state of my state affect you?

Missing the point LMAO You must not be comprehending well. Go back over the posts, read them slowly, then maybe you can understand something other than your biased point LOL

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by sprint100

Missing the point LMAO You must not be comprehending well. Go back over the posts, read them slowly, then maybe you can understand something other than your biased point LOL

Humor is fun. For me as well. Let's recap then. You wrote that

developers will keep snapping up and building all the nice California land
I responded that over 50% of California land is not available for development
and that development is also severely restricted relative to natural resources (water) and infrastructure.
You responded that you had not known that.

You wrote that California has idiots everywhere
I pointed out that idiots exist uniformly around the globe.

You wrote that Californians pay a premium for the crap the state pulls.
I asked for examples.

You responded by accusing the state / local governments of corruption.
I provided credible sources that proved just the opposite.

You said starting abusiness was hard.
I responded that would be so only for someone not willing to follow responsible practices. And California as the number 1 national economy and number 9 global economy really doesn't need to worry about new start ups too much. Obviously lots of businesses do start and thrive to achieve the state's global ranking. Right? Can't be too hard.

You then cited budget fiascos and you supported that claim with a year old article.
I have pointed out that the budget problems are being aggressively addressed and the proposed budget passed as balanced.

Now you want to claim that something could go wrong.
And I responded - Yes that's life, sh*t happens, people continue to adjust and California has extraordinary resources.

So what's funny and what didn't I understand?
I ask you again as well: how does all this affect you in Colorado?

[sprint100]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Humor is fun. For me as well. Let's recap then. You wrote that

developers will keep snapping up and building all the nice California land
I responded that over 50% of California land is not available for development
and that development is also severely restricted relative to natural resources (water) and infrastructure.
You responded that you had not known that.

You wrote that California has idiots everywhere
I pointed out that idiots exist uniformly around the globe.

You wrote that Californians pay a premium for the crap the state pulls.
I asked for examples.

You responded by accusing the state / local governments of corruption.
I provided credible sources that proved just the opposite.

You said starting abusiness was hard.
I responded that would be so only for someone not willing to follow responsible practices. And California as the number 1 national economy and number 9 global economy really doesn't need to worry about new start ups too much. Obviously lots of businesses do start and thrive to achieve the state's global ranking. Right? Can't be too hard.

You then cited budget fiascos and you supported that claim with a year old article.
I have pointed out that the budget problems are being aggressively addressed and the proposed budget passed as balanced.

Now you want to claim that something could go wrong.
And I responded - Yes that's life, sh*t happens, people continue to adjust and California has extraordinary resources.

So what's funny and what didn't I understand?
I ask you again as well: how does all this affect you in Colorado?

This is my last post on this since apparently you can't put two and two together, don't watch much credible news, need everything spoonfed to you, which equates to an attitude of if you don't show me exactly what I look for then its not true.
The way it effects me in Colorado is that it doesn't but coming from California , living from Inglewood to Santa Clarita for the last 38 years, I can comment from first hand knowledge. A great thing California did is set the bar so I can say that I pay lower taxes, not just my daughter but other kids get better schooling, housing is inexpensive, and everybody is more helpful.