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Old 07-08-2013, 02:19 PM
 
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I was startled by how much tuition AND expected COL has gone up at a lot of the larger UC schools like CAL, UCLA, UCSD, etc.

I didn't attend THAT long ago, but tuition was in the 5k range for the year. Dorms were fairly inexpensive (IIRC there was a dorm/dining plan option that was slightly under 7k for the entire academic school year).

With a combination of parental assistance, jobs, and a very modest (under 10k) amount of loans, I was able to get my degree. Very common story for most of my peers.

How do middle class families do it these days? It's not just the tuition, dorms have gone up quite a bit as well, and if your school doesn't guarantee housing for 4 years, you are looking at apartments in increasing COL areas...
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Old 07-08-2013, 02:54 PM
 
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How do middle class families do it these days?
They move out of California, and reside in states that don't economically crush young families.
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Old 07-08-2013, 03:08 PM
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They move out of California, and reside in states that don't economically crush young families.
So, 100% of the middle class families that cannot afford Cal or UCLA move to another state because, for some reason, young families (which I assume does not include families with children going to college) are being crushed economically.
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Old 07-08-2013, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
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So, 100% of the middle class families that cannot afford Cal or UCLA move to another state because, for some reason, young families (which I assume does not include families with children going to college) are being crushed economically.
Only for the Tin Hat Brigade.

Plenty of middle class kids go to UCs on scholarships, grants, have money saved from working in high school, working while in college, family money.
FYI: If one is a beautiful young lady, there are certainly those who finance such things at the local nudie bar (an old girlfriend earned her way through UCSC working at the Pink Poodle. Now working overseas for the federal government). There are also those who pay school fees by selling drugs, but this is not recommended - even if they manage to not get busted and remain in school, they soon realize that they can make tons more dough slinging than either learning or pursuing lawful employment.
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Old 07-08-2013, 03:37 PM
 
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How do middle class families do it these days? It's not just the tuition, dorms have gone up quite a bit as well, and if your school doesn't guarantee housing for 4 years, you are looking at apartments in increasing COL areas...
First, a person has to get into a UC of her (notice how I politically correctly used "her" instead of "his") choice.

My guess is that after doing so, she bears the cost with enormous student loans which she pays off in the years after she graduates and hopefully gets a job.

Either that or she doesn't pay off those loans and she finds herself being harassed by debt collectors. Or maybe she gets a job as a debt collector to pay off her student loans!

Overall, the subsidized college education gravy train years are over. It's simply the case that we have moved into a new normal in which college students bear more of the costs of their educations. This isn't all bad as this is already causing subsidized colleges to be much more financially efficient rather than being so wasteful with their subsidization as they were in the past.

Now/hopefully the taxpayers will pay less for bored retirees people taking pottery classes at their local community colleges, less for 23yo women majoring in art history and more for 18yo students majoring in STEM disciplines.
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Old 07-08-2013, 03:44 PM
 
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First, a person has to get into a UC of her (notice how I politically correctly used "her" instead of "his") choice.

My guess is that after doing so, she bears the cost with enormous student loans which she pays off in the years after she graduates and hopefully gets a job.

Either that or she doesn't pay off those loans and she finds herself being harassed by debt collectors. Or maybe she gets a job as a debt collector to pay off her student loans!

Overall, the subsidized college education gravy train years are over. It's simply the case that we have moved into a new normal in which college students bear more of the costs of their educations. This isn't all bad as this is already causing subsidized colleges to be much more financially efficient rather than being so wasteful with their subsidization as they were in the past.

Now/hopefully the taxpayers will pay less for bored retirees people taking pottery classes at their local community colleges, less for 23yo women majoring in art history and more for 18yo students majoring in STEM disciplines.
How does this involve political correctness?
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Old 07-08-2013, 03:50 PM
 
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
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First, a person has to get into a UC of her (notice how I politically correctly used "her" instead of "his") choice.
Actually this is not so much PC, more like accurate. More "she"s than "he"s are being accepted into and graduating from universities these days. Even more of the dreaded Ways of the New World. Help, help, where have the '50's gone?
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Old 07-08-2013, 03:54 PM
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Actually this is not so much PC, more like accurate. More "she"s than "he"s are being accepted into and graduating from universities these days. Even more of the dreaded Ways of the New World. Help, help, where have the '50's gone?
If you were reading all the threads today, you'd know the government killed the 1950s with the Small Business Administration.
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Old 07-08-2013, 03:57 PM
 
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Only for the Tin Hat Brigade.[/i]
The facts say otherwise.

California’s latest casualty: The young family

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demographer Joel Kotkin laid out the terrifying news for California: In the last two decades, nearly 4 million more people have left the state than have moved in from other places in the U.S. Most of those leaving, Mr. Kotkin said, are between the ages of 5 and 14 and 34 to 45. "In other words," the interviewer wrote, "young families."
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Old 07-08-2013, 04:08 PM
 
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
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Yeah, we've heard this stuff from Kotkin before, regurged here for the umpteenth time:

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Mr. Kotkin, a professor at Chapman University in Orange, in particular takes a shot at coastal California. “Basically, if you don’t own a piece of Facebook or Google and you haven’t robbed a bank and don’t have rich parents, then your chances of being able to buy a house or raise a family in the Bay Area or in most of coastal California is pretty weak.”
The principal cause of the state’s unraveling — once a magnet for millions pursuing the middle-class dream — is excessive, jobs-killing regulation on development, particularly in the coastal areas, according to Mr. Kotkin.
Sure, Joel, all we need to do is unleash unbridled development of all of coastal California, and all our economic problems
will be solved.
From this:


to this. Yay.



Bollinger the Editor of the Business Journal, jumps right from this edict to the above Kotkin WSJ revelation.
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The political class in Sacramento is obsessed with raising taxes, enacting new regulatory schemes and green economy pipedreams.
Classic case of tired right-wing political talking points. Who are those in the Business Journal "class" to judge the "political class in Sacramento?"
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