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Old 07-16-2013, 02:17 PM
 
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Just because you were born before they started keeping records...
Yep with a wedged shape stylus on clay tablets too.
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Old 07-16-2013, 02:26 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Speaking openly for myself, I was born looong before the advent of the Roman Empire ... Actually, I came on the scene during the transition from the Paleolithic to the Neolithic age ... a trying time ... I was witness to the passing of man's natural state into the world of strife, avarice and greed, constant conflict and, eventually of course, Twinkies.
Ah, thanks for the correction LOL
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Old 07-16-2013, 02:29 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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It is Patience, unless you are a Doctor.
Yeah I realized that after my numerous posts but was too lazy to go back and change it. I said I was a slacker
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Old 07-16-2013, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles (Native)
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I think the problem is we were all getting way too comfortable.

It's definitely a problem that isn't limited to CA..but California doesn't seem to be the best place for 'millennials' mostly because of the huge cost of living but other factors too.

It all comes down to supply and demand. People will only hire someone if they believe they can provide value for them. Perhaps the things learned in college aren't being valued as much by employers as they were in the past.

The economy is also a more global place now in many regards, which is a huge factor as well.

I really think self employment/entrepreneurship is the best option for millennials right now.

The internet has leveled the playing field in some ways , and there are cities in America where property can be purchased cheaply.

10 Best Cities For Young Entrepreneurs - In Photos: The 10 Best Cities For Young Entrepreneurs - Forbes
None of these cities are in California.
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Old 07-16-2013, 02:48 PM
 
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It is very apparent on this thread, that there are two views of what is going on. This happens every where you look around this country today. People only see one side.

A good example is the Zimmerman trial in Florida. I just watched two women, both black, both educated, and both in high positions discuss the verdict.

One was from the NACP who argued that JUSTICE was not served. He should have been found guilty, no matter what the evidence to make up for the injustice black people have suffered. She said it is justice that a black youth died, is all that is important no matter what the evidence said.

One was a leading professor of law at a major university who argued that it was. As she said, the evidence was in favor of Zimmerman, and he was judged not guilty due to the evidence. She said we are a nation of laws, and you have to go by the laws and evidence.

That is what is going on in this thread. People are only looking at things from their own point of view. I have mine and I worked hard to get it, and the young today should do the same. They should not expect it to be easy.

The other side is saying, we need a chance to get a start in life. We have prepared the best we can and we can't get a foothold to get started. We need help.

They are not looking for a middle ground solution.

Remember years ago, the opportunities were in California and the young flowed to California and got a start in their lives.

Today the opportunities are not in California like they were in the past, and people are no longer fleeing to California for opportunities. Young people are often going to have to do the same as they did in the past, and go to where the opportunities are. Today for the past few years, more people have been migrating from California to other states, than have been migrating to California from other states. The big migration has been families with children leaving the state. The population has stayed up for only two reasons. 1)--Births exceeding deaths with the majority Hispanic Births. 2)--Migration from Mexico, South America and Asia. Without those two factors, California is losing population as people flee the state.

Opportunities for youth are around the county, but they may have to move to find these opportunities (jobs).

I was born in California, but left. My children were born in California, and all have left. I only have one grand daughter living in California and is going to a University there. I know a lot of people, that have left the state for opportunities elsewhere.

Young people that want a new start in life, it is out there waiting for you. But as people flowed to California back in it's heyday, you may have to move to where the opportunities await you.
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Old 07-16-2013, 03:10 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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... or, apparently, to have figured out there's no reason you should have it easier than anyone one else just because you have a college degree.College grads, including those with "MBA's" are allowed to work as "plumbers, HVAC techs, carpenters, and mechanics". They can start at the bottom and work their way up like the experienced in those professions do.
People today should have it easier, what is all the technology, increased productivity, etc worth if it can't even improve people's lives? Time to start to think what went wrong between (ahem boomers) the so called greatest generation and the Millennials.

As for college degrees, that too should make things easier, but it hasn't because colleges are set-up around their own self interest and employers are often not interested in training individuals. I think most Millennials would be happy with a low pay entry level job if they knew they would get trained and could work towards something greater.

Regardless, the boomers mortgaged their kids future, but some of this has nothing to do with them and instead technology. As experienced workers retire there are strong incentives to find technological solutions to replace them rather than higher young workers to train.

But beyond the economic factors, there are cultural factors as well. Though the boomers aren't solely to blame, their social nativity and eagerness to rebel against their parents ideals, provided the catalyst for profound social changes brought by corporate America. That is, the boomers "destroyed" traditional culture as young adults and then it was replaced by a materialistic consumer culture when they started to join, and ultimately control, the corporate world.

Anyhow, the end result will be very difficult for the Millennials to overcome. The nation is now in a rotten equilibrium and it would take perhaps a great political hero to fix matters.
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Old 07-16-2013, 03:17 PM
 
Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Today the opportunities are not in California like they were in the past, and people are no longer fleeing to California for opportunities. Young people are often going to have to do the same as they did in the past, and go to where the opportunities are.
This isn't really true, young adults throughout the country are still "fleeing" to California for perceived opportunities. Echo Park, Silverlake, etc are filled with these sorts. What you see less of are younger middle-class families fleeing to California for opportunities, but that should be expected. California is no longer a hospitable for this cohort.
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Old 07-16-2013, 03:33 PM
 
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People today should have it easier, what is all the technology, increased productivity, etc worth if it can't even improve people's lives? Time to start to think what went wrong between (ahem boomers) the so called greatest generation and the Millennials.

As for college degrees, that too should make things easier, but it hasn't because colleges are set-up around their own self interest and employers are often not interested in training individuals. I think most Millennials would be happy with a low pay entry level job if they knew they would get trained and could work towards something greater.

Regardless, the boomers mortgaged their kids future, but some of this has nothing to do with them and instead technology. As experienced workers retire there are strong incentives to find technological solutions to replace them rather than higher young workers to train.

But beyond the economic factors, there are cultural factors as well. Though the boomers aren't solely to blame, their social nativity and eagerness to rebel against their parents ideals, provided the catalyst for profound social changes brought by corporate America. That is, the boomers "destroyed" traditional culture as young adults and then it was replaced by a materialistic consumer culture when they started to join, and ultimately control, the corporate world.

Anyhow, the end result will be very difficult for the Millennials to overcome. The nation is now in a rotten equilibrium and it would take perhaps a great political hero to fix matters.
User, you and I have locked horns on similar subjects as this before ... however, I think here you are making mostly very good observations ... surprise. I disagree, however, with a couple key points. You say that:
1. things should be easier
2. technology makes (or is supposed to make) things "better"
3. college should make things easier

I suggest you:
1. Define "easier" and explain why "easy" = "good"
2. Define "better" and explain why technology is the path to "better"
3. explain (again) why "easier" is "good" and how college fits in that mix

Now, I am sure you will have plenty to define and explain ...
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Old 07-16-2013, 03:38 PM
 
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25 miles east of Throngs.
Now if you had said "thongs" you would have caught my attention!

I really sink lower in my lounge chair on my porch overlooking the river and have to sigh at all the negativity from the generations that came after the baby boomers.

I can't tell a Gen X from a Millenial. All i can say, as i sip my iced hard cider, is buck up!!!!

You whippersnappers are in charge of your own fate! If you want to moan and complain (my the brie that Moonbaby found at the local organic market today is yummy) then have at it!!! But, let the rest of us sit in silence at our own situation. (checks to make sure the SS check arrived today)

Then settles back down to continue my sudoku,,,,,
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Old 07-16-2013, 03:44 PM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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People today should have it easier, what is all the technology, increased productivity, etc worth if it can't even improve people's lives? Time to start to think what went wrong between (ahem boomers) the so called greatest generation and the Millennials.

As for college degrees, that too should make things easier, but it hasn't because colleges are set-up around their own self interest and employers are often not interested in training individuals. I think most Millennials would be happy with a low pay entry level job if they knew they would get trained and could work towards something greater.

Regardless, the boomers mortgaged their kids future, but some of this has nothing to do with them and instead technology. As experienced workers retire there are strong incentives to find technological solutions to replace them rather than higher young workers to train.
I agree with this. Employers most often are not interested in training. they want experience but one must be trained somewhere to get. I think most anyone would take a new job in a completely new field if the proper training were offered.

Also, with former jobs now being given to machines, there are obviously fewer jobs for more people.
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