U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > California
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 11-12-2007, 03:47 PM
 
5 posts, read 14,963 times
Reputation: 10

Advertisements

Sorry this is so long, but its an odd situation ...We have a home that's been for sale for about a year off & on. We have had several tenants in the home during that period. It's in a safe neighborhood & there's always been a realtor lockbox. We've never had any problems. We offer to reduce the rent $400 a month in exchange for the inconvenience of showing, etc. We try to provide 24 hr. notice, but let tenants know that sometimes people need / want to see the home with less than 24-hrs notice. We typically get 1-2 showings a week, but sometimes more. Currently, its a month-to-month tenancy.

Our latest tenant seemed nice, had great credit scores, & rental / employment checked out with no problems. She understood the home was for sale, the lockbox, etc. But, when she faxed back the Rental Agreement she wrote in changes without telling us. This was the first problem. She was also worried about security & wanted keyless locks among other things like tenant responsibility. We special-ordered the locks & put some regular slide-bolts on in the meanwhile (the home already has dead bolts). When the locks came in, it 'wasn't a good time' for us to install them & she told us she'd call us later - but she never did.

Things grew worse from here. She was going to pay her security deposit of $2,000 over 3 months, but only paid the first 1/3 at move-in. She insisted we remove the lockbox, tho' it had been there all along. We refused. She got rid of her answering machine, disabled the messaging system on her cell phone, & told the realtor she didn't want to be bothered at work, effectively keeping us from giving her 24 hr notice for a showing, so we started posting on the door.

She called us & said someone had entered the home without her permission but didn't tell us she wouldn't return our realtors' calls. When we reminded her the rent was reduced in exchange for her cooperation she got better & called our realtor every other day or so to see if there'd be showings - I think she might have let the realtor call her at work.

Then she said someone had been repeatedly entered her home while she was at work & suspected it was a realtor. A glass of wine was missing & some ice cubes & the tv was turned on to a station she didn't use. Problem is, she waited 8 days to tell us, & had our realtor check for unauthorized activity on those days, & there had been none. She said things had been taken, small things, but wouldn't say what. She filed a police report. We had to argue with her to let us change the locks immediately- she wanted to change them herself & not give us - the OWNERS - keys or allow us to show it any more.

When changing her locks she said she'd heard noises in the attic & footsteps on the roof - not rodents, but humans. She did tell us she'd had a break-in in a previous state & her daughter'd had a stalker. But that person couldn't have followed them out of state. She wouldn't tell us why. She refused to pay any more of her security deposit due to her 'lack of safety' & insecurity at the home. She said she wasn't sure she wanted to stay there because she was afraid (then why argue about changing the locks & wait 8 days to tell us about this?)

The police report was inconclusive - they never found anyone & there was no forced entry & nothing proven to be stolen.

We decided it wasn't working & gave her a 40-day notice, but told her she could leave early if she let us know. She left after 10 days, for a total rental period of 2 months with us. She left the home clean, but went nuts when we told her she'd need to clean the carpets (she has a cat) & threatened to take us to court. There was the usual ranting & raving of how horrible we are (which we'd been hearing most of her tenancy) as well. She never put the trash in her name, but said she did, & there were other discrepancies as well.

My question is - should we charge her to clean the carpets or just cut our losses & consider ourselves lucky we didn't have to evict her? If she does pursue this in court, Judges tend to rule against landlords, & in this situation, especially with someone whose story changes, & regarding this 'break-in' & a single-woman's safety. I'd be interested in getting some others' opinions - thanks for your input in advance!

Last edited by denise37; 11-12-2007 at 04:02 PM..
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 11-12-2007, 04:27 PM
 
27,876 posts, read 59,418,888 times
Reputation: 22679
Default Call it a day and move on...

Count yourself lucky and return her deposit... you don't need more aggravation at this time...

NEVER let anyone move in without paying the full move-in amount... ever! Don't ask me how I know... and that family seemed so nice, their check bounced, they had my house and I never received 1 penny in rent or deposit was left with the legal expense of an eviction... My only excuse was I was young and took everyone at their word....
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-12-2007, 05:26 PM
 
Location: Mokelumne Hill, CA & El Pescadero, BCS MX.
6,958 posts, read 21,091,930 times
Reputation: 6439
Give her the money and the name of a good shrink (or even a bad one).

Seriously though, Is the home still showable? I would think you would have to have the carpets cleaned after a 2 month tenancy with cats. A decent vacuuming ought to do it.

You could offer her half and tell her that YOU won't take her to court and see what happens. Good luck in any event
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-12-2007, 08:24 PM
 
Location: So Cal
320 posts, read 1,673,421 times
Reputation: 107
change the lock and be thankful she didn't cause you to lose a sale.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-12-2007, 09:21 PM
 
5 posts, read 14,963 times
Reputation: 10
Smile Thanks all of you

I'm new to this & am not sure how to reply to specific entries, but all of you have been very helpful:

#1 Responder: Point well taken. I am going to follow your advice & count my loss as lucky. I've been in this business 20 years & do give people leeway from time to time thinking its better to trust when you have good information, but.... this is a great lesson that in spite of how great someone checks out, there's still a flake quotient that can't be quantified or qualified.

#2 Responder: I wish I had your guts - I'd sure like to go to the mat on this one, but am too wary. Thanks for providing a realtor's response.

#3 Responder: Great advice - we've done that right away - thanks!
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-12-2007, 09:23 PM
 
5 posts, read 14,963 times
Reputation: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ultrarunner View Post
Count yourself lucky and return her deposit... you don't need more aggravation at this time...

NEVER let anyone move in without paying the full move-in amount... ever! Don't ask me how I know... and that family seemed so nice, their check bounced, they had my house and I never received 1 penny in rent or deposit was left with the legal expense of an eviction... My only excuse was I was young and took everyone at their word....
Point well taken. I am going to follow your advice & count my loss as lucky. I've been in this business 20 years & do give people leeway from time to time thinking its better to trust when you have good information, but.... this is a great lesson that in spite of how great someone checks out, there's still a flake quotient that can't be quantified or qualified.
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-12-2007, 09:27 PM
 
5 posts, read 14,963 times
Reputation: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by DMenscha View Post
Give her the money and the name of a good shrink (or even a bad one).

Seriously though, Is the home still showable? I would think you would have to have the carpets cleaned after a 2 month tenancy with cats. A decent vacuuming ought to do it.

You could offer her half and tell her that YOU won't take her to court and see what happens. Good luck in any event
I wish I had your guts! I'd sure like to go to the mat on this one, but am too wary. I'm going to let it go & be lucky she's out, tho' we may still end up in court. Thanks for providing a realtor's response - I think she gave realtors a really bum rapp. What realtor would want to enter a single house repeatedly, not take anything, & jeopardize a career?
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 11-12-2007, 09:29 PM
 
5 posts, read 14,963 times
Reputation: 10
Quote:
Originally Posted by OutOfSoCal View Post
change the lock and be thankful she didn't cause you to lose a sale.
Thanks for the good advice - we did change the locks again right away, & you're right - she didn't have the chance (that I know of) to ruin a potential sale. These are too hard to come by in California right now anyway!
Rate this post positively Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
>
Powered by Foreclosure.com
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:


Settings
X
Data:
Loading data...
Based on 2000-2020 data
Loading data...

123
Hide US histogram


Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > U.S. Forums > California
View detailed profiles of:

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2022, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Contact Us - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, 37 - Top