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Old 10-04-2013, 12:32 PM
 
Location: LBC
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Back to the OP, looks like this is really going to happen, along with the bill Brown signed yesterday allowing illegals to get a license. Why doesnt this piece of **** just come out and admit he is pandering to the Latinos because he needs their votes to carry the state when he runs for Governor again next year? Pathetic. So glad I am leaving this rotten state.
Go. Now.
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Old 10-04-2013, 12:51 PM
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Back to the OP, looks like this is really going to happen, along with the bill Brown signed yesterday allowing illegals to get a license. Why doesnt this piece of **** just come out and admit he is pandering to the Latinos because he needs their votes to carry the state when he runs for Governor again next year? Pathetic. So glad I am leaving this rotten state.
What is the disadvantage to you if "illegals" get a driver's license allowing them to drive? Just to clarify, this license only gives them the ability to drive legally providing they have insurance. It does not provide any other privileges.

I used to have an international driver's license so I could drive in countries that required it. I think of this as the same thing, whatever the person's residency status, I would rather someone pass a driver's test and have insurance than drive without a license.
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Old 10-04-2013, 01:00 PM
 
Location: O.C.
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What is the disadvantage to you if "illegals" get a driver's license allowing them to drive? Just to clarify, this license only gives them the ability to drive legally providing they have insurance. It does not provide any other privileges.

I used to have an international driver's license so I could drive in countries that required it. I think of this as the same thing, whatever the person's residency status, I would rather someone pass a driver's test and have insurance than drive without a license.
Because all these new laws are doing is empowering illegals and giving them more reasons to flock here, which is costing you and I over 10 BILLION dollars a year in tax payer money! What motivation does an illegal have to go thru the process and become an actual citizen here if they can ride off all of us paying taxes and get free healthcare, food stamps, welfare, education, drivers licenses etc...all while not paying taxes? Absolutely pathetic.
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Old 10-04-2013, 01:57 PM
 
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As I recall, California is either the 11th or 14th state to adopt licensing of undocumented residents ... um, meaning that 10 or a dozen states came to this decision before California? Huh.

Also, as I recall and am absolutely sure, this new licensing provision was endorsed by the state association of Police Chiefs -- and by the entire insurance industry. Huh.

Wonder what mbell knows that all these other dufuses don't ... I mean, they're just law-enforcement bosses and industry executives.
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Old 10-04-2013, 02:07 PM
 
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As I recall, California is either the 11th or 14th state to adopt licensing of undocumented residents ... um, meaning that 10 or a dozen states came to this decision before California? Huh.

Also, as I recall and am absolutely sure, this new licensing provision was endorsed by the state association of Police Chiefs -- and by the entire insurance industry. Huh.

Wonder what mbell knows that all these other dufuses don't ... I mean, they're just law-enforcement bosses and industry executives.
Not just law enforcement and business execs, the kiss-up / kick-down crowd also can't understand economists:

"[T]here is little doubt that unauthorized, that is, illegal, immigration has made a significant contribution to the growth of our economy. Between 2000 and 2007, for example, it accounted for more than a sixth of the increase in our total civilian labor force. The illegal part of the civilian labor force diminished last year as the economy slowed, though illegals still comprised an estimated 5% of our total civilian labor force. Unauthorized immigrants serve as a flexible component of our workforce, often a safety valve when demand is pressing and among the first to be discharged when the economy falters.
Some evidence suggests that unskilled illegal immigrants (almost all from Latin America) marginally suppress wage levels of native-born Americans without a high school diploma, and impose significant costs on some state and local governments.

However the estimated wage suppression and fiscal costs are relatively small, and economists generally view the overall economic benefits of this workforce as significantly outweighing the costs."

-Alan Greenspan
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Old 10-04-2013, 05:03 PM
 
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As I recall, California is either the 11th or 14th state to adopt licensing of undocumented residents ... um, meaning that 10 or a dozen states came to this decision before California? Huh.
Do those states also spend over $10 BILLION a year on the healthcare, education and incarceration of illegals and basically make it a safe haven for them practically opening the door? No, they have not.
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Old 10-04-2013, 05:40 PM
 
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Do those states also spend over $10 BILLION a year on the healthcare, education and incarceration of illegals and basically make it a safe haven for them practically opening the door? No, they have not.
I'm sure they do not ... just as I'm sure they are but a fraction of the size of California in both population and GDP ... oh, and in contribution to the US Treasury ... which contribution is by FAR the largest of any state in the union -- while being one of the states that gets less back from the feds than it contributes.

It's called relativity.
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Old 10-04-2013, 09:25 PM
 
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"LOS ANGELES — California is challenging the historic status of American citizenship with measures to permit noncitizens to sit on juries and monitor polls for elections in which they cannot vote and to open the practice of law even to those here illegally. It is the leading edge of a national trend that includes granting drivers’ licenses and in-state tuition to illegal immigrants in some states and that suggests legal residency could evolve into an appealing option should immigration legislation fail to produce a path to citizenship."

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/21/us...ts.html?src=me


When are you guys going to stand up and say you have had enough? I lived in SoCal part-time a few years ago and it reminded me of some places I have been to in South America....and not in a good way. As someone who grew up in Brazil, I can certainly say that parts of this country resemble a 3rd world country and the problem is just going to get worse.
This is what the majority there want. They voted for it, over and over. People get the government they deserve.
If you want to live in California and enjoy it without all funhouse crazy politics, it's best have lots and lots of money to isolate yourself from this nonsense and live in really nice gated areas or way out somewhere in ranch or wine country. Otherwise live somewhere else and visit when you need a California fix.
Someday even liberals make wake up to how batsh*t stupid their policies have become, but of course by then, it will far far too late to do anything about it.
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Old 10-04-2013, 10:14 PM
 
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... Someday even liberals make wake up to how batsh*t stupid their policies have become, but of course by then, it will far far too late to do anything about it.
Unlike the wisdom of conservatives -- who have shut down the federal government in their collective wisdom.
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Old 10-04-2013, 10:52 PM
 
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We stood up, walked away and never looked back last year. Moved to Tennessee. Very sad considering my wife and I were both native Californian's in our 50's who had never lived anywhere else. It's a shame that such natural beauty, majestic shorelines and towering granite peaks, weren't enough to keep us there. The other factors were too much to look past.
It's great when people like you chose to leave and make CA a better place. CA is not for losers and whiners... It's for dreamers who move here, work hard and live a purposeful life... Enjoy the country bumpkin lifestyle in TN!
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