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View Poll Results: If you left California for somewhere more affordable, what would be the best alternative? Where woul
Austin 15 16.67%
Denver 15 16.67%
Dallas-Fort Worth 5 5.56%
Phoenix 9 10.00%
Seattle 13 14.44%
Portland 11 12.22%
Other (please specify) 22 24.44%
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Old 05-01-2014, 03:56 PM
 
Location: Dana Point
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So you're going back to the "I'm going to ignore sav858's comment because he's right and totally owned me, so let me deflect with some off-topic immaturity, and maybe no one will notice that I just got destroyed by a single sentence" type of behavior? You were doing so well actually addressing the actual issues and topic. Oh well.
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Old 05-01-2014, 04:00 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Well. I'll have a go at it to start.
It doesn't matter a fig whether there is one party or 50 to choose from.
The ONLY thing that matters is intelligent representation / leadership with common sense.

We have neither, of course. Hence --
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Old 05-01-2014, 04:00 PM
 
Location: SW King County, WA
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Honestly, I'm not seeing a big problem with the Democratic super majority in CA, and based on the dwindling numbers of the CA GOP, it looks like most others don't seem to mind either. If Republicans want to leave for greener pastures like Texas or other welfare red states, they should hit the road ASAP. Actual work/progress is being made in this state and it's crowded enough as it is. I, for one, am really looking forward to another Jerry Brown governorship and seeing California enjoy even more prosperity than it already has.
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Old 05-01-2014, 06:05 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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I should qualify my statement above. I except Jerry Brown himself from my blanket observation. The guy is doing a brilliant job.
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Old 05-01-2014, 06:13 PM
 
Location: SW King County, WA
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Of course he is, but Republicans are in full denial mode, crying and moaning that the state is on its way to ruin. That's really their major issue: they deny facts, evidence, and science, and then they wonder why nobody wants them as representatives.
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Old 05-01-2014, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
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So you're going back to the "I'm going to ignore sav858's comment because he's right and totally owned me, so let me deflect with some off-topic immaturity, and maybe no one will notice that I just got destroyed by a single sentence" type of behavior? You were doing so well actually addressing the actual issues and topic. Oh well.
Are we having a discussion, or some sort of online game battle here?
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Old 05-01-2014, 07:44 PM
 
Location: Dana Point
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Brown is doing well, but he's been pretty tightfisted, not something Democrats are known for, especially in a super-majority state like CA, just look at Illinois. Also, he does have a major blotch on his current resume with the high speed rail fiasco. The best thing he could do right now is just kill the entire project, but he won't. Other than that though, he's not doing bad.

Like I said, framing any argument as Demo vs Repub is short sighted and ignorant. That's not where the battle lines are drawn in this state.
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Old 05-01-2014, 08:36 PM
 
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Brown - does have a major blotch on his current resume with the high speed rail fiasco.
It's not a fiasco until it fiasco's, which it hasn't yet.

Give it time to fall on its tookus. Or not.
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Old 05-01-2014, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Dana Point
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It's fallen on its "tookus". High speed rail is a failed experiment that California was never ready for. The NIMBYs have effectively killed the project in its infancy. King County residents have sued to block it. Fresno residents have sued to block it, and a judge has blocked $9 billion in bond sales that would have funded the project. By the time all of this gets out of the courts, we will have already invented Star Trek matter-to-matter transporters.

Time to kill it.
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Old 05-01-2014, 11:46 PM
 
Location: Laguna Niguel, Orange County CA
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It's fallen on its "tookus". High speed rail is a failed experiment that California was never ready for. The NIMBYs have effectively killed the project in its infancy. King County residents have sued to block it. Fresno residents have sued to block it, and a judge has blocked $9 billion in bond sales that would have funded the project. By the time all of this gets out of the courts, we will have already invented Star Trek matter-to-matter transporters.

Time to kill it.

I agree on the NIMBY problem, but what is so wrong with planning such a train? Sure, you can argue huge costs, ridership, subsidies, yada yada, but it is something that many of us long for; a European style high speed train. It makes sense on many levels. And having it would be an enormous boast to our infrastructure.

Rather than declare defeat, why not fight the NIMBYS and finally (if not now, when we can afford it) build something world class?
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