Is California more Leftist/Socialist or Libertarian/Neoliberal?

[Tlaneloli]

Originally Posted by mysticaltyger

People usually say stuff like this because:

1. They are further to the left of the general electorate, so they don't perceive the state as left wing.

and

2. Because the long term trend is toward more and more centralized power and control. What was considered socialist 50 years ago is now the normal way of doing business....exactly what our controlling elite wants.

Yeah, I don't think you actually know what socialism means, you conflate it with state control because of all the misinformation going around, but that's not what it means, socialism just means social ownership of capital assets, like a co-operative. As for what was considered socialist in the past being the status quo now, back in the 50s the tax rate for the highest income bracket was over 90%, taxes are socialist but you probably view it as such. Consider the growing income equality and incidences or corporate welfare, are these things socialist? No it's a result of the state looking after the interests of the capitalist class first while granting a few guidelines to make sure the state keeps it's power and to an extent the corporations do too, because barriers to entry restrict upstart competition.

[silverkris]

Originally Posted by lookb4youcross

No, those people that screwed up are ignorant low information voters, and clearly california has many of them.
The fact of the matter that I say it doesn't mean it will ever happen, if you want to blatantly change the subject thats up to you. Californians would sign a petition to take anyones rights away.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpHOaW99ST4
Don't forget illegals will vote democrat, and thats why democrats want amnesty for illegals so bad. Those people will bring their values here and alienate the rest of us of our civil rights/liberties.

Illegal immigrants CAN'T vote. Are you really doubling down on continuing to spew ignorant comments?

[Global CitiZen X]

Originally Posted by silverkris

Illegal immigrants CAN'T vote. Are you really doubling down on continuing to spew ignorant comments?

don't put anything from that crazy Mark Dice, he's an idiot.

[Cowboys fan in Houston]

There is nothing libertarian about California. It's purely liberal except for a few spots.

[Mouldy Old Schmo]

Depends on where you live in California. The conservative parts don't have the political clout they once did. Also, the descendants of the Orange Countiers who made that place a conservative hotbed probably don't vote Republican anymore. It would be unimaginable that a Bob Dornan, much less a John G. Schmitz, could come from the OC now.
Darrell Issa probably couldn't win a statewide office for anything.

[bigdumbgod]

Originally Posted by silverkris

Illegal immigrants CAN'T vote. Are you really doubling down on continuing to spew ignorant comments?

He's just eloquently elaborating on current right-wing concerns, that we may be made more acutely aware of the WI mindset on these critical matters.

Please looky, for our communal benefit, continue to enlighten us .

[West of Encino]

Extremely left.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by bigdumbgod

Liberaltarian! Let us ponder the possibilities with a fifth of Thunderbird on a nearby bench. Or maybe a joint, if they ever legalize.

In some municipalities, you can have a joint as it's a least concern.