Here they go again. Mileage tax! (San Francisco: buyer, new construction, income)

[ExeterMedia]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

How about the actually use the money collected from gas taxes and weight fees to actually maintains the roads instead of sending it to the general fund like they do now.

Bingo.

Also lets up the standards at CalTrans. These guys are still the same people who built the new Bay Bridge for the price of 3. Also, kill High Speed Rail.

[janellen]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Yeah. As a boater, I'm down with that.

Lol. So, I take it your boat is a sailboat; or, is it a rowboat? No gas/diesel motor?

My husband would like to live on a boat, but we can't figure out where to put our mules.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by janellen

Lol. So, I take it your boat is a sailboat; or, is it a rowboat? No gas/diesel motor?

My husband would like to live on a boat, but we can't figure out where to put our mules.

Get 'em some swim-fins and put those buggers to work!

Sure, I got a motor. Little diesel. We call em "iron sails"

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by ExeterMedia

Honestly, the libs just needs to go ahead and legalize pot, and tax it. It would take a year or two to fix all the roads in the state, and drug crime would go down drastically.

Affirmative.

[BayAreaHillbilly]

Therrrrrrre they go again!

[Electrician4you]

Originally Posted by Dean Trails

Unfortunately, folks will begin to roll back odometers.

No they won't. One its illegal but all the state has to do is start a statewide smog program which automatically logs your mileage already in smog counties. They can also force dealers and auto repair shops to log your VIN and mileage when you go for repairs or any vehicle type services and report it to DMV. Any discrepancy BAM your azz is fried.
It would be so easy to implement the system because it's already in place through smog stations. They could do roadside checks ( like they do with smog) to catch cheaters.

And most of odometers in new cars is displayed in the dash but its registered in the main vehicle computer.

None of this is hard to implement.

[bigdumbgod]

Originally Posted by Electrician4you

No they won't. One its illegal but all the state has to do is start a statewide smog program which automatically logs your mileage already in smog counties. They can also force dealers and auto repair shops to log your VIN and mileage when you go for repairs or any vehicle type services and report it to DMV. Any discrepancy BAM your azz is fried.
It would be so easy to implement the system because it's already in place through smog stations. They could do roadside checks ( like they do with smog) to catch cheaters.

And most of odometers in new cars is displayed in the dash but its registered in the main vehicle computer.

None of this is hard to implement.

NSA: "Shotgun!"

[hoffdano]

Don't you pay an annual registration fee for vehicles?

If the primary purpose of the gas tax is to pay for roads then high MPG vehicles are underpaying for the roads on which they travel.

California's gas tax is $.71 per gal. Over 15,000 miles a 25 MPG car will generate $426 in gas taxes per year. A 50 MPG car will generate $213 per year.

The simplest thing to do that minimizes cost, fraud, etc. is to charge an extra annual fee for high MPG vehicles. Or make the fee proportional to the MPG. It could be a road use fee. The bureacracy already exists to collect this. No electronics, no privacy issues, no tampering.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by hoffdano

Don't you pay an annual registration fee for vehicles?

If the primary purpose of the gas tax is to pay for roads then high MPG vehicles are underpaying for the roads on which they travel.

California's gas tax is $.71 per gal. Over 15,000 miles a 25 MPG car will generate $426 in gas taxes per year. A 50 MPG car will generate $213 per year.

The simplest thing to do that minimizes cost, fraud, etc. is to charge an extra annual fee for high MPG vehicles. Or make the fee proportional to the MPG. It could be a road use fee. The bureacracy already exists to collect this. No electronics, no privacy issues, no tampering.

Good points and post. EXCEPT what you suggest is political suicide. You can't propose to overtly penalize green.

[hoffdano]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Good points and post. EXCEPT what you suggest is political suicide. You can't propose to overtly penalize green.

Drivers of "green" vehicles are already coddled by the legislators. They get to drive in HOV lanes. They save money on fuel. They get tax credits. Their vehicles weigh just as much as non-green cars, if not more because of the weight of the batteries. They cause just as much wear and tear on the roads.

So charging them a small annual fee simply reduces the disparity in treatment. But you are probably right - the politicians will instead spend a billion dollars on the infrastructure, devices, and regulations to track mileage and send people a bill based on driving habits. Drivers in total will waste thousands of man hours dealing with a new regulation. And California will spawn a new non-beneficial industry.