California Teacher Tenure Laws Ruled Unconstitutional (Los Angeles: 2014, employment, high school)

[jw2]

Things are about to get better for California schools. California will be able to get rid of their underperforming teachers and attract the best. Without tenure, teachers will have to remain at their best level.
California teacher tenure laws ruled unconstitutional

[Mike930]

Originally Posted by jw2

Things are about to get better for California schools. California will be able to get rid of their underperforming teachers and attract the best. Without tenure, teachers will have to remain at their best level.
California teacher tenure laws ruled unconstitutional

According to the teachers on the education forum, the whole school system will now collapse.

The prospect of having to actually perform terrifies them.

[jw2]

Originally Posted by Mike930

According to the teachers on the education forum, the whole school system will now collapse.

The prospect of having to actually perform terrifies them.

Ha, that's funny.

I know teachers that would kill to get to the two year point. Once there, they feel they are untouchable. Guess what, they are now touchable. Sure, the teachers are upset.

The order was stayed until an appeal can be heard. The union will surely appeal. I don't see on what grounds though. I think it was a brilliant lawsuit.

This will carry over to the other states soon.

From: Unions cry foul after California teacher tenure rules struck down*-*Los Angeles Times

"This is a sad day for public education," said Randi Weingarten, head of the American Federation of Teachers. No student should endure an ineffective teacher, she said, "but in focusing on these teachers who make up a fraction of the workforce, [Treu] strips the hundreds of thousands of teachers who are doing a good job of any right to a voice."

The teachers (even hundreds of thousands of them) have nothing to worry about. The problem is the union prevented the schools from dealing with the few ineffective teachers that make up a fraction of the workforce. Now they will have a vehicle for dismissal. Does Ms. Weingarten have a better way or is just keeping them on staff OK?

[NinaN]

I think this is great news. My sons school only has 1-2 teachers that don't do their jobs well, but it sucks for the kids stuck in those classes. I hope this sticks and changes are made soon.

[Krispytopher]

This is a horrible thing, how will the teachers be judged? Test scores alone? It only affects through high school when most of my complaints were at the college level. Teachers (for whatever reason) may be fired and you will get new inexperienced teachers that will be struggling to find their grooves, which will prolly get them fired for under performing. This was a bad move, if a teacher is poor fire them, have a 5-8 year run before offering tenure, but getting rid of job security and peace of mind is not a good idea.

Disclaimer, I have been a teacher for three years and was looking forward to tenure, guess that will never happen now.

[genjy]

This is a bad move because experienced, high-salary teachers can be easily replaced by newbie teachers with starting salaries.

The lifers (both good and bad) will be first to go when there is a budget crisis. Kids will end up with a bunch of recent graduates who don't know what the heck they are doing, and in a few years when there is another fiscal crunch, the cycle will continue again.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by genjy

This is a bad move because experienced, high-salary teachers can be easily replaced by newbie teachers with starting salaries.

The lifers (both good and bad) will be first to go when there is a budget crisis. Kids will end up with a bunch of recent graduates who don't know what the heck they are doing, and in a few years when there is another fiscal crunch, the cycle will continue again.

I don't see that happening.

Skilled employees will always be more valued than untrained masses at 20% less.

The good teachers will still have a job, the bad teachers won't and maybe some of the young teachers just entering the field will have a chance to have steady employment by working hard and out performing other teachers.

[SOON2BNSURPRISE]

Originally Posted by Krispytopher

but getting rid of job security and peace of mind is not a good idea.

Disclaimer, I have been a teacher for three years and was looking forward to tenure, guess that will never happen now.

Amazing that you feel that way. Maybe teachers need to join the real world where none of us have job security. Why should a teacher be any differant?

[SOON2BNSURPRISE]

I have 6 kids, 5 of which are still in school. I have seen teachers that are only there to collect a pay check. I remember when I was in high school we had teachers that did not seem to care and were just trying to put in their 30 years so they could retire and not have to work again. About the only industry that has pensions anymore are teachers and government employees. Funny both have these big unions. Very few if any industries offer a pension of any kind. Did I spell everything correctly? I was taught by California Teachers so who knows.

[Krispytopher]

Originally Posted by SOON2BNSURPRISE

Amazing that you feel that way. Maybe teachers need to join the real world where none of us have job security. Why should a teacher be any differant?

I am 30 years old, I have been a cook, a waiter, worked in customer service for a long time, and in other fields too. I have been in the "real world" plenty, thank you. I spent thousands and thousands of dollars to become a teacher, I can not think of many jobs in the "real world" that require that kind of deposit on a future In a field where we make little more than chicken feed.

Many other professions have different type of job securities, where jobs work on point systems, x amount of points can get a person fired, or in the railroad there is the ability to strike and have tough unions. Or the best security, being amazing at your job and in high demand as a result, not often possible for high school teachers.