Texas has to buy jobs, while California creates them (Los Angeles: appointed, foreclosures)

[blauskies]

Not everything that goes to Texas turns to Gold:

Google's Motorola Mobility to close Texas plant - MarketWatch

[user_id]

Originally Posted by oldtrader

When it comes to K-12 education California is clear down to #30. They are not taking very good care of the kids, to prepare them for higher education.

California's K-12 ranks low, in part, because its high immigrant population. But the state needs to improve the K-12 system to make it on par with its higher education system. But this doesn't change the fact that California's higher education system is one of the best in the world.

Originally Posted by Lowexpectations

As mbell points out texas is two behind California in Fortune 500 companies. So let's not pretend that it's all low wage growth in texas. A part of the lower wage job growth expansion is a direct correlation to our continued growth of the immigrant population.

The number of Fortune 500 companies doesn't mean much, most of these companies employ the vast majority of their employees outside of the state they are headquartered. And the quality of jobs created by Fortune 500 companies is going to depend on what they do. All will create a certain number of executive and management positions, but that is only a small fraction of the jobs they create.

[Lowexpectations]

Originally Posted by blauskies

Not everything that goes to Texas turns to Gold:

Google's Motorola Mobility to close Texas plant - MarketWatch

I love this part


""Manufacturing or assembling smartphones in the U.S. was always going to end in tears for Motorola," Strategy Analytics analyst Neil Mawston said. "The U.S. is well positioned to design smartphones, as Apple does successfully, but manufacturing them is a whole different ballgame."


Sometime things don't work, clearly texas "lower wages and taxes" weren't enough to make this successful. It's alright to strikeout as that's life.


I'm not sure why this has to be california vs texas because in truth we don't care were companies relo from to Texas, but rather a constructive conversation.

Why is California losing jobs? Can it be reversed? How so?

Why is texas gaining? Is it cost effective? Does it make sense?


Continuing with the mindset that we are the biggest/best, we only lose poorer paying jobs or people we wouldn't want anyway etc is not only ignorant and silly it can be very distructive over time. A girl who falls back on her looks to make it often times runs into trouble over time.

Texas is far from perfect, far and lord know we have plenty of arrogance, ignorance, state pride but none of that makes progress to making Texas better, same goes for y'all in "Cali"

[Lowexpectations]

Originally Posted by user_id

California's K-12 ranks low, in part, because its high immigrant population. But the state needs to improve the K-12 system to make it on par with its higher education system. But this doesn't change the fact that California's higher education system is one of the best in the world.

In the k-12 texas can use the same excuse but it's an excuse for both states and needs improvement

Originally Posted by user_id

The number of Fortune 500 companies doesn't mean much, most of these companies employ the vast majority of their employees outside of the state they are headquartered. And the quality of jobs created by Fortune 500 companies is going to depend on what they do. All will create a certain number of executive and management positions, but that is only a small fraction of the jobs they create.

Our fortune list is heavy in energy so on par they aren't low paying jobs

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by kttam186290

Here, this is from a North Carolina source:

“Texas calls itself the most successful state at creating jobs,” Gallis told me. “What Texas does is they have more money to buy jobs. They should really say Texas has bought more jobs that they call ‘economic development.’ If I buy a job with tax incentives or other incentives, can you really call that economic development or do you just say, ‘We have more money, we bought more jobs than anyone else.’ OK, that’s more of a real statement.”

“California has created more wealth in the hundreds of billions of dollars. How can the state that produced more wealth than any other state in the United States be called a bad state for business? Because they’re looking at business taxes and regulatory environment. And they go, ‘Texas has no taxes and it’s got a low regulatory environment.’ How many IPOs are coming out of Texas? How many billions of dollars of new wealth are coming out of Texas? What is Texas’ educational system able to produce? That’s why Texas has to buy jobs.”

SLAM DUNK!!!

Charlotte recruiting expert: 'Texas has to buy jobs' - Charlotte Business Journal

My heavens; you are doing the same as the OP: you are posting based on something you read in a state business journal. What would you expect them to say: move out of NC? And of course a recruiting expert has no bias either, right? Why do people read these articles, studies, whatever and actually believe them. I guess some people are just more gullible than others.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by kttam186290

When's the last time you were in LA? ...1980-something?

For us, spring of 2011; still smoggy but not as bad as 30 years ago: certainly the air in L.A. was no cleaner than in many parts of Texas. How long has it been since you were in Texas? Maybe never?

[blauskies]

Originally Posted by Lowexpectations

I love this part


""Manufacturing or assembling smartphones in the U.S. was always going to end in tears for Motorola," Strategy Analytics analyst Neil Mawston said. "The U.S. is well positioned to design smartphones, as Apple does successfully, but manufacturing them is a whole different ballgame."


Sometime things don't work, clearly texas "lower wages and taxes" weren't enough to make this successful. It's alright to strikeout as that's life.


I'm not sure why this has to be california vs texas because in truth we don't care were companies relo from to Texas, but rather a constructive conversation.

Why is California losing jobs? Can it be reversed? How so?

Why is texas gaining? Is it cost effective? Does it make sense?


Continuing with the mindset that we are the biggest/best, we only lose poorer paying jobs or people we wouldn't want anyway etc is not only ignorant and silly it can be very distructive over time. A girl who falls back on her looks to make it often times runs into trouble over time.

Texas is far from perfect, far and lord know we have plenty of arrogance, ignorance, state pride but none of that makes progress to making Texas better, same goes for y'all in "Cali"

Cali?

Cali - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[oldtrader]

Do you have any stats that the people who were being moved had their salary cut? I know with Exxon's move this was not the case, that they were all given relocation packages etc. I'm pretty sure the same occurred with Cvx, Schwab I'm sure offered relos to some of their employees but surely if I could hire a no skills back office person in texas at 35k and could leave behind the same skillset in CA at 50k that's a could move for the company and for the unemployed low skill worker in texas.

You only think in total dollars. Everything is not as you see it. Are you aware if you were earning $50K in Santa Clara county the heart of the IT business and moved to Austin Texas their equivalent type area and only got $35,000 after factoring in the difference in cost of living, you would be getting a raise.

Due to cost of living, people in California are only in the middle of the pack for wages. You are being deceived by the old smoke and mirrors. California wages may be high in numbers but when it is converted to buying power for a family, they are only in the middle of the pack. Texas is only about $350 per year different for a family in California, after adjusting for the cost of living. Washington state, Utah, Nevada, and Utah which is becoming a IT hub, all beat high flying California.

GeoCommons

And the poverty rate in California is way above every other state in the nation, with almost 25% of the state population living in poverty. And those high poverty rates are in San Francisco, San Jose, Los Angeles etc., as well as the hard up counties. If California was such a great place, with everyone making big money as you and some others claim, California would not be the poverty capital of the United States, way above #2 state which is Florida the last I looked.

The rich can afford to live in California. The poor love it as it gives them money to live there. But the middle class is fleeing the state for more opportunity, just as they moved to California for opportunities, 30 to 50 years ago. The middle class is leaving and the South of the Border and Asia populations are jumping like crazy. The reason that California's biggest ethnic group is now Hispanic, and is expected to be over half the population in the state in just a very few years.

[Lowexpectations]

Originally Posted by blauskies

Cali?

Cali - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Since used wiki as a resource does that open it up to my use?



California - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Abbreviations CA, Calif., Cali., US-CA



1. I'm not sure where y'all's sensitivity comes from with Cali

2. That's really your response to the post you quoted? How mature and thought provoking

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by oldtrader

If California was such a great place, with everyone making big money as you and some others claim, California would not be the poverty capital of the United States,

Yeah? Why so?

First off, I haven't read anyone saying that "everyone is making big money" in California.

Second, it's not a bit uncommon for poor people to be attracted - in droves - to beautiful places with wonderful climates and plenty of successful folks around to benefit from one way or another. How is that a failing of the state? It's actually a sign of its success.

People don't flee successful places. They flee depressed places.