Death penalty in California ruled unconstitutional. (charges, capita, federal)

[bigdumbgod]

Originally Posted by Harrier

You didn't make a distinction in your earlier post.

Here is a more direct question:

Do you believe that everyone who is arrested is a criminal?

Or: Are we assuming cops don't regularly profile certain people and assume they MUST be up to no good, therefore justifying arrests...just in case? Wouldn't want to wait until they actually committed an offense, ya know.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by Harrier

Its all a game.

For the most part, it is.

For the real serious crimes they don't offer much of a deal. They want to take them to trial to get the longest sentence possible.

In japan they don't have a plea system or a jury trials. Everyone goes before a panel to determine guilt, since this happens for every crime, the judges on the panel are not very educated compared to judges here in the US since so many judges are needed per capita compared to here. This process of course leads to a much higher conviction rate compared to our system.

[bigdumbgod]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

In japan they don't have a plea system or a jury trials. Everyone goes before a panel to determine guilt, since this happens for every crime, the judges on the panel are not very educated compared to judges here in the US since so many judges are needed per capita compared to here. This process of course leads to a much higher conviction rate compared to our system.

Surely we aren't so knee-jerk vengeful we would embrace their system?

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by bigdumbgod

Surely we aren't so knee-jerk vengeful we would embrace their system?

Didn't say we should change our system, just pointing out the differences.

Personally, I wish juries were more involved, but the system and the population doesn't really want that.

[bigdumbgod]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

Didn't say we should change our system, just pointing out the differences.

Personally, I wish juries were more involved, but the system and the population doesn't really want that.

Many wish the juries were more educated, and the lawyers less professionally/politically ambitious.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by bigdumbgod

Many wish the juries were more educated, and the lawyers less professionally/politically ambitious.

Juries are only as educated as the general population. The DA isn't worried about scoring points on 99.9% of the cases that come through the doors. The DA will always have some political ambitions as long as it is an elected position and a stepping stone (rightfully so) for many who become judges.

[sacite]

Originally Posted by Bulldogdad

Obviously a lack of critical thinking on your part.

Try again.

Clearly you refuted every analogy that I made, however anectdotal they may have been. Well played sir. Watch, I can do it too:

Obviously a lack.of critical thinking on your part. Try again.

[Harrier]

Originally Posted by bigdumbgod

Surely we aren't so knee-jerk vengeful we would embrace their system?

Harrier would hope not.

[Harrier]

Originally Posted by bigdumbgod

Many wish the juries were more educated, and the lawyers less professionally/politically ambitious.

Harrier seeks to be a defense attorney.

Many people on City Data forum, especially in the politics and other controversies forum oppose Harrier's objective.

Will you join Harrier's support team?

[JC177]

Originally Posted by Harrier

Federal judge rules California death penalty is unconstitutional - LA Times

Harrier agrees with this decision.

The death penalty is barbaric, unnecessary, and too prone to error.

Harrier does not want to be a part of a state that sends innocent people to their death.

What is your opinion on the ruling, given that we had the opportunity to scrap our death penalty 1 1/2 years ago and didn't do so?

I don't see how it's "unconstitutional", but I agree that it's often used on innocent people.

With that being said, there's no way this ruling will stand.