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Old 10-07-2014, 04:19 PM
 
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Well Dale.. unfortunately as well intentioned as you sound and as hard as you try to be within the law it is other MMJ growers that have screwed it up for all of you.. 95 percent NON COMPLIANCE.. which is why Measure A is the best compromise.. without it it will be a free for all here.. some heavy handed enforcement.. more non compliance as druggies feel enabled.. no one will be happy.. and the mess will only get worse..

Ok some other news that was part of our problems as well

Denver is now reporting a 150 percent rise in homeless populations as hundreds flock there because of open marijuana use.. This has created a catastrophe for the city,, and the money they have to spend to deal with it,, Many of these "new" homeless are under-achievers or lack the skills necessary to hold jobs and thus suck of the social service system... many report they get Mj for free from people on the street,, futher creating a cycle of behavior not conducive to being productive tuned in members of thier community


Redding certainly saw some of the same behavior.. although Washington and Colorado took some pressure off.. still it created a change of population here

And in other news that dopers wont be happy to hear.. hot off the marijuana press... and it doesnt sound good...

"The terrible truth about cannabis: British expert's devastating 20-year study finally demolishes claims that smoking pot is harmless



The terrible truth about cannabis | Daily Mail Online



· One in six teenagers who regularly smoke the drug become dependent



· It doubles risk of developing psychotic disorders, including schizophrenia



· Heavy use in adolescence appears to impair intellectual development



· Driving after smoking cannabis doubles risk of having a car crash



· Study's author said: 'If cannabis is not addictive then neither is heroin'



By Ben Spencer, Science Reporter for the Daily Mail - 18:24 EST, 6 October 2014



A definitive 20-year study into the effects of long-term cannabis use has demolished the argument that the drug is safe.



Cannabis is highly addictive, causes mental health problems and opens the door to hard drugs, the study found.



The paper by Professor Wayne Hall, a drugs advisor to the World Health Organisation, builds a compelling case against those who deny the devastation cannabis wreaks on the brain. Professor Hall found:



Lasting effects: One in six teenagers who regularly smoke the drug become dependent on it and cannabis users do worse at school. Heavy use in adolescence appears to impair intellectual development. (File image)

· One in six teenagers who regularly smoke the drug become dependent on it,

· Cannabis doubles the risk of developing psychotic disorders, including schizophrenia,

· Cannabis users do worse at school. Heavy use in adolescence appears to impair intellectual development

· One in ten adults who regularly smoke the drug become dependent on it and those who use it are more likely to go on to use harder drugs,

· Driving after smoking cannabis doubles the risk of a car crash, a risk which increases substantially if the driver has also had a drink,

· Smoking it while pregnant reduces the baby’s birth weight.


Last night Professor Hall, a professor of addiction policy at King’s College London, dismissed the views of those who say that cannabis is harmless.



‘If cannabis is not addictive then neither is heroin or alcohol,’ he said.



‘It is often harder to get people who are dependent on cannabis through withdrawal than for heroin – we just don’t know how to do it.’



Those who try to stop taking cannabis often suffer anxiety, insomnia, appetite disturbance and depression, he found.



Even after treatment, less than half can stay off the drug for six months.



The paper states that teenagers and young adults are now as likely to take cannabis as they are to smoke cigarettes.



Addiction: Those who try to stop taking cannabis often suffer anxiety, insomnia, appetite disturbance and depression, the study found. (File image)


Professor Hall writes that it is impossible to take a fatal overdose of cannabis, making it less dangerous at first glance than heroin or cocaine. (OP's note here.. just because it doesnt kill you quickly doesnt mean it isnt destructive)



He also states that taking the drug while pregnant can reduce the weight of a baby, and long-term use raises the risk of cancer, bronchitis and heart attack.



But his main finding is that regular use, especially among teenagers, leads to long-term mental health problems and addiction.



‘The important point I am trying to make is that people can get into difficulties with cannabis use, particularly if they get into daily use over a longer period,’ he said.



‘There is no doubt that heavy users experience a withdrawal syndrome as with alcohol and heroin.

‘Rates of recovery from cannabis dependence among those seeking treatment are similar to those for alcohol.’



Mark Winstanley, of the charity Rethink Mental Illness, said: ‘Too often cannabis is wrongly seen as a safe drug, but as this review shows, there is a clear link with psychosis and schizophrenia, especially for teenagers.



‘The common view that smoking cannabis is nothing to get worked up about needs to be challenged more effectively.



Instead of classifying and re-classifying, government time and money would be much better spent on educating young people about how smoking cannabis is essentially playing a very real game of Russian roulette with your mental health.’



Cannabis was given a Class B rating when the classification system for illegal drugs was set up in 1971, putting it below Class A substances heroin and cocaine in seriousness but above Class C drugs such as steroids.



The Labour government downgraded the drug to Class C in 2004 – meaning officers did not normally arrest those caught with it – but reversed its decision within five years.



Other failed attempts to liberalise the approach to cannabis include that of former Metropolitan Police chief Brian Paddick, who spearheaded a ‘softly, softly’ scheme while borough commander in Lambeth in 2001.



His party leader, Nick Clegg, has previously backed moves to partially decriminalise the sale of cannabis.



At the Liberal Democrat conference yesterday, he called for people to be spared jail if they are caught with small amounts of drugs.



Widespread: Teenagers and young adults are now as likely to take cannabis as they are to smoke cigarettes. Regular use, especially among teens, leads to long-term mental health problems and addiction. (File image)


In 2005, David Cameron, when he ran for the Tory leadership, said it would be ‘disappointing’ if radical options on the law on cannabis were not looked at.



He said he favoured ‘fresh thinking and a new approach’ towards drugs policy.

Mr Cameron also voted, when he was a member of the Home Affairs Select Committee, for the UN body on drugs policy to look at whether to legalise and regulate the drugs trade.



Today, he no longer supports decriminalisation.



Professor Hall last night declined to comment on the decriminalisation debate.



But in his paper, published in the journal Addiction, he wrote that the rise of medical treatment for cannabis ‘dependence syndrome’ had not been stopped by legalisation.



The number of cannabis users seeking help to quit or control their cannabis use has increased during the past two decades in the United States, Europe and Australia,’ he wrote.



‘The same increase has occurred in the Netherlands, where cannabis use was decriminalised more than 40 years ago.’



David Raynes, of the National Drug Prevention Alliance, added: ‘There is no case for legalisation and we hope that this puts an end to the matter.



The two main parties agree that cannabis needs to remain illegal – we hope the Liberal Democrats see this research and re-examine their policies.’

………………………………………………………………………………………………………

The celebrities and campaigners who claimed cannabis was safe





Personal: Sir Richard Branson has a long-running campaign against the legal ban on drugs



For years, activists and celebrities trying to decriminalise cannabis have campaigned on the claim that the real health damage to users is done by the legal ban on drugs.



They have dismissed the growing evidence that smoking cannabis is a serious risk to mental health.



Prominent supporters of decriminalisation have included comedian Russell Brand, singer Sting, writer Will Self and left-wing barrister Michael Mansfield.



A key figure has been David Nutt, who was chairman of the Home Office Advisory Council on the Misuse of Drugs, until sacked for his campaigning five years ago.

The professor said the risk of lung cancer from smoking was vastly greater than the risk of psychosis from cannabis.



He gave a lecture in 2009 in which he said: ‘The analysis we came up with was that smokers of cannabis are about 2.6 times more likely to have a psychotic-like experience than non-smokers.



To put that figure in proportion, you are 20 times more likely to get lung cancer if you smoke tobacco than if you don’t.



‘The other paradox is that schizophrenia seems to be disappearing from the general population, even though cannabis use has increased markedly in the last 30 years.



‘So, even though skunk has been around now for ten years, there has been no upswing in schizophrenia.



Where people have looked, they haven’t found any evidence linking cannabis use in a population and schizophrenia.’



The claim that cannabis is harmless is repeated in a documentary shortly to be released in Britain called The Culture High, which features interviews with Sir Richard Branson and Mike Trace, Britain’s deputy drugs czar under Tony Blair.



He was sacked after the Mail revealed he was planning to launch a decriminalisation pressure group.



The film contains an interview with an academic who states that ‘marijuana is the most non-toxic medicine I have ever come across’ and maintains, according to reports, that ‘scientific evidence overwhelmingly shows it has medical benefits’.



Sir Richard’s appearance in the film is part of a long-running personal campaign against the legal ban on drugs.



Sir Richard is also part of the Global Commission on Drug Policy, a pressure group which says legalisation would ‘safeguard the health and security of citizens’.


So endth todays lesson... it still boggles the mind.. one person can easily grow 16000 joints under Measure A... isnt that enough?

YES ON MEASURE A.. crafted by grower input... and no input from local anti drug groups.. even those who use drugs here know its out of control...

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Old 10-07-2014, 08:08 PM
 
Location: Boulder Creek, CA
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Old 10-08-2014, 11:37 AM
 
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And in other news that dopers wont be happy to hear.. hot off the marijuana press... and it doesnt sound good...

"The terrible truth about cannabis: British expert's devastating 20-year study finally demolishes claims that smoking pot is harmless

The terrible truth about cannabis | Daily Mail Online

Well, notmeofficer... Professor David Nutt was sacked from his job as Chairman for ACMD due to clashing with the government over his findings on drug harm and classifications. A number of colleagues also resigned from the ACMD following Professor Nutt's dismissal and set up an Independent Scientific Committee on Drugs. In essence, he (they) were being silenced by the government.

Professor Wayne Hall was then hired and conducted this "study" which agrees with the government.

When you look at Professor Hall's study, he took old studies and formulated his paper, which just happens to agree with the government. Political? Ya think.


Anyone that believes this junk study is a dope.
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Old 10-09-2014, 01:25 AM
 
Location: zooland 1
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Hi beth... would you please post your source?... the study mirrors research what I have seen in other research.... but Im glad you feel motivated to learn about the uncontrolled substance you are putting in your body

I'm curious... do you live in the county and are you a voter?. So far every other poster on here against a cannot vote in this local election... but scream loudly for their drugs

Today the ACLU jumped into the local debate supporting the no on a side. Unfortunately they have already been defeated in other California cities which restricted marijuana use in their communities. This is a Sampson v. Goliath story... grass routes community involved anti drug citizens vs well funded drug money... they run long expensive ads... we walk precincts... sad... but true...

The battle on redding.com blogs shows clearly that citizens here are tired of drug including free for all marijuana use. I invite some of you to go and read some of the discourse occurring.

Also interesting yesterday was Colorado's liberal governor coming out publicly stating he was against the legalization of mj in his state...warning other states not to follow Colorado's folly without more research... and this was a liberal...

Yes on A folks... crafted by the people who use... protecting their access while reducing the impact upon those who don't.
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Old 10-09-2014, 10:06 AM
 
Location: zooland 1
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And in more local news that YES ON MEASURE A will help



SHASTA COUNTY, California - Shasta County investigators this week arrested four people on suspicion of growing marijuana for sale on three Oak Run properties and confiscated four vehicles believed to be tied to the illegal operations.

On Tuesday, agents with the Shasta County Sheriff’s Marijuana Investigative Team served search warrants on the three properties in the Mill Creek subdivision in Oak Run. A total of 286 marijuana plants were eradicated between the properties and more than 80 pounds of processed marijuana, a pound and a half of concentrated cannabis and items indicating illegal sales were also discovered, according to the Shasta County Sheriff’s Department.

More than $82,000 in cash and five firearms were also found on the properties, two of which were in the 15000 block of Stagecoach and another in the 30000 block of Crockett Lane.

Investigators said Kenneth Dean Bartic, 46, of Oak Run, was believed to be responsible for the properties. He was arrested at the Crockett Lane home on suspicion of marijuana cultivation, possession of marijuana for sale, conspiracy and manufacturing a controlled substance.

Three other people at the Stagecoach Drive properties allegedly admitted to growing marijuana for Bartic, said Sgt. Berry Powell. Adam Lee Briggs, 43, of Redding, Demetrius Aaron White, 23, of Oak Run and Tracy Ryan Hass, 24, of Orangevale, were cited for health and safety code violations and released.

Drug agents seized a John Deer tractor and a dump trailer believed to be used for cultivation activities on the properties.

The next day, investigators served a search warrant on a warehouse owned by Bartic in the 2000 block of Cascade Boulevard in Shasta Lake based on evidence collected during the Oak Run raids, Powell said. There agents seized a 1956 Chevrolet Bel-Air, a 2004 Mercedes-Benz and a 1994 Dodge Viper believed to have been purchased with drug money.

Powell said a house and two cabins on the Oak Run properties appeared to have been constructed without building permits and the Shasta County Building Department was investigating further.

Bartic remained in Shasta County Jail Wednesday afternoon on $500,000 bail. The California Department of Fish and Wildlife and Shasta Interagency Narcotics Task Force assisted in the raids.

Powell said the marijuana grow was identified recently during a flight over the Oak Run area.


So.. what is a common thread here is that the suspects all had their "recommendations" that they tried to use to conceal a criminal grow operation.. and a part of the 95 percent non compliance grows that are being disguised as medical marijuana

Guns.. money.. destruction of the environment being the common theme...

Score one for us.. the cars will go to auction pretty quickly.. the properties will take longer.. one thing is that the suspects cannot use the cash they have that was earned from ill gotten gains for their defense fund.. its not going to be a good week for them. The properties were filth infested trashbins.. sewage.. etc.. and the obvious concentration was growing marijuana without regard for the land.

There is no defending this kind of behavior.. which is why every person who tries to use marijuana legally and wants to peacefully integrate into our community should absolutely get behind A...

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Old 10-09-2014, 11:52 AM
 
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notmeofficer... I think most of us good folks here are glad this operation was found and those involved arrested.

And the great news is, it did not take Measure A to get it done.


No one wants our forests, lakes, streams, and wildlife poisoned by these types of growers. Unfortunately, the more you prohibit small outdoor gardens on personal property, the more of these large illegal grows you will see.

Measure A will not stop these large grows. There will always be someone who takes the risk. You will bust them and the next one will pop up. You spend millions on this vicious circle, what a waste of time and money. In the meantime, you hurt the little guy who just wants a few plants to grow organically.

Those outbuildings you want every patient to build is a form of prohibition. The cost will be unaffordable for most patients. And I can't imagine what would happen if everyone did build an outbuilding. The amount of energy that would be required will definitely impact the environment. I wonder if any reliable studies have been done on that.

Most pharmaceuticals have the potential to kill. This natural plant does not. There are no cases of death by overdose on marijuana alone in over 5,000+ years. It is safer than alcohol and cigarettes. But there are those that don't want you to know.

Write a Measure that makes sense, that allows a small garden without expense. By not allowing it, you are responsible for patients seeking it elsewhere. And that means illegal grows and cartels. Don't be fooled.

Vote No on Measure A. Go after the illegal grows and cartels. They are the bad guys.

"If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always got."

--- Henry Ford

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Old 10-09-2014, 07:01 PM
 
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Nmo continues his counterproductive campaign much to my amusement. Reminds me of a law firm trying to win a legal battle by burying the opposition in endless paper files to read and respond to. Dostoevsky can't hold a candle.
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Old 10-10-2014, 04:12 PM
 
Location: zooland 1
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Ok Beth.. you never answered as to whether you can actually vote on Measure A.. or like other people on here that promote free for all pot..... cannot



For the gandmothers that arent quite like you (British coorespondent so factor the language)

By David Millward, US Correspondent

2:57AM BST 10 Oct 2014

Cannabis dealing has come to a school playground in Colorado where the recreational use of marijuana has been legal since the beginning of the year.

A 10-year-old boy was reported for selling a bag of marijuana to three other children for $11 (£6.80).

To make matters worse one of the pupils, who did not have the ready cash, honoured the debt the following day with a marijuana-laced bar of chocolate.

In both cases the cannabis had been taken from the children’s grandparents.

With marijuana being legal the authorities in Greeley, Colorado have been unable to prosecute anyone for the playground transactions, even though the children have been disciplined.

But it has alarmed parents at the school.

“I didn’t think I would have to have a drug conversation with my six year old,” one parent said.

Jennifer Sheldon, the principal of Montfort Elementary School, where the drug dealing took place, has sent a letter to parents asking them to be vigilant.

"We urge all parents, grandparents and anyone who cares for children to treat marijuana as you would prescription drugs, alcohol or even firearms," the letter said.

"This drug is potentially lethal to children, and should always be kept under lock and key, away from young people."

Earlier this week John Hickenlooper, the Democrat who is seeking re-election as Colorado’s governor described the decision to legalise cannabis, following a referendum, was reckless.

Since then Washington State has also legalised recreational use of the drug and moves to follow suit are under way in Alaska, Washington DC and parts of Maine.



Legal drug dealing comes to school playground in Colorado - Telegraph

So Beth,, here is just another reason why YES on MEASURE A is good for our county.. lets make sure this stuff doesnt get picked by kids.. well.. we already know kids trim it.. why wouldnt they keep some for themselves... but lets at least make some attempt to keep it out of their hands

Swat the tule flys... and put out the candles.. lets get Measure A passed

What say you grandma?

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Old 10-10-2014, 06:39 PM
 
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A coworker I used to get along with was from Humboldt County, he told me that the majority of income in that area came from cooking meth and pot farms and that the entire county government was created to discriminate white people and favor blacks and women (specifically in the courts). I suspect Redding is the same even though I planned on Redding being my "Plan B" locale if things failed in NYC.
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Old 10-10-2014, 07:35 PM
 
Location: Redding,CA
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Well this will teach me to assume things. I thought since I resided in the city limits that I would not see Measure A on my sample ballot, but I was wrong. It does appear that those of us who reside within the city limits, not just the county, will be able to vote on Measure A.
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