High Tech is moving to the South Land

[pacific2]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Those other-than-California locations have plenty to offer. And yet - CA retains some mysterious magic.

I know, and was wondering about it the other day as I listened to this mellow recent rendition of California Dreamin'.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTVRCnS7pqk

[eccotecc]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Well, I agree it's all pointless. I extend that to civilization's follies throughout history

But, back to the ponder of other tech magnets. Boston / New England has terrific beaches for the warm months, and terrific skiing for winter. Seattle is a Mecca like no other for all round rabid outdoors people, in spite of the drizzly weather: summers can't be beat, winter skiing is fantastic (if you find cold refreshing and exhilarating *shudder*), hiking, kayaking, etc. Both Boston and Seattle also have extraordinarily educated work forces and higher education. Those other-than-California locations have plenty to offer. And yet - CA retains some mysterious magic.

The Golden State will always retain its sheen, and like gold can never be tarnished. Sometimes folks just don't appreciate what we have.

The grass always seems greener on the other side, but no matter which side of the fence you're on the grass still needs to be mowed.

[CarawayDJ]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

I understand your meaning but no, I don't agree. The "good" scenario is possible in CA, and worldwide. In fact, it is completely more doable, survivable, simpler, more pleasant, pleasurable, desirable, affordable - etc. - than continuing to implement "clever" strategies for perpetual growth.

You do realize that in the next dozen and a half or so years that all our "clever" modern solutions will replace human labor by roughly 1/3 at minimum, right? And it will continue to get worse. We are developing and "advancing" ourselves out of employment for the population. Now tell me where that leads - economically, psychologically, physically, and so forth.

Human beings are complete idiots and completely out of control.

Hmmm..... Actually you do agree with me. There is no GOOD scenario. Every scenario will be driven by some sort of major economic disruption or disaster. None of which will be good.

I'm in tune with you regarding tech replacing human labor. It's actually a pet peeve of mine. It's not reported enough. It will force us to rethink our social contracts as well as corporate taxation. That however is a thread of its own.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by CarawayDJ

Hmmm..... Actually you do agree with me. There is no GOOD scenario. Every scenario will be driven by some sort of major economic disruption or disaster. None of which will be good.

I'm in tune with you regarding tech replacing human labor. It's actually a pet peeve of mine. It's not reported enough. It will force us to rethink our social contracts as well as corporate taxation. That however is a thread of its own.

Boy howdy! - as the rodeo clowns are known to say.
Let's make life easier so it can be harder.

[beb0p]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Well, I agree it's all pointless. I extend that to civilization's follies throughout history

But, back to the ponder of other tech magnets. Boston / New England has terrific beaches for the warm months, and terrific skiing for winter. Seattle is a Mecca like no other for all round rabid outdoors people, in spite of the drizzly weather: summers can't be beat, winter skiing is fantastic (if you find cold refreshing and exhilarating *shudder*), hiking, kayaking, etc. Both Boston and Seattle also have extraordinarily educated work forces and higher education. Those other-than-California locations have plenty to offer. And yet - CA retains some mysterious magic.

I don't quite understand your point then. Both Boston and Seattle already have a pretty good tech scene. As does So. CA.

Yes, CA retains the magic, and the "magic", using your term, is in SV. And it really isn't that mysterious - it's a combination of weather, people, education, geography, culture, vibrancy and money. Some places come close but they just seem to be missing one or two ingredients.
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[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by beb0p

Plus, while housing is cheaper than SF/SV, So CA is still jaw dropping expensive. If the motivation is cheaper COL, moving to LA is merely moving from worse to bad. It's rather pointless.
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Originally Posted by beb0p

I don't quite understand your point then. Both Boston and Seattle already have a pretty good tech scene. As does So. CA.

Yes, CA retains the magic, and the "magic", using your term, is in SV. And it really isn't that mysterious - it's a combination of weather, people, education, geography, culture, vibrancy and money. Some places come close but they just seem to be missing one or two ingredients.
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I contest only your comment about the COL in southern California being "jaw dropping expensive. - moving to LA is merely moving from worse to bad".

Southern California COL compared to any really popular urban places in the country is not alarmingly bad at all. Especially compared to the other few tech-oriented cities. Any assumption that weather or natural beauty and activities is incomparable to the Bay Area / SV, made by posters here, is misplaced as well. Nor educational setting, particularly in the case of Boston.

Even Austin COL is rising rapidly to match the tech growth.
High tech earnings result in high COL in short order. But SF / SV is a notable leader.

[ccm123]

Agreed, many talented SoCal engineers, with aerospace experiences. Fewer, top-class tech savvy engineers in SoCal than what the Bay Area has though. And fewer VC's in SoCal, which is what a emerging tech scene needs to develop and nurture successfully.

I wish the tech scene in SoCal well. I lived there for 20 years, but left because of the tough job market.

Originally Posted by BayAreaHillbilly

Well, not quite. There are many, many Engs there. A good many of them have an aerospace pedigree. Some of the current tech firms may not appreciate that. Perhaps the Engs are not all into Java or Web Sockets. However, they can write lean and mean code in C++ or even something more hard core. And they actually can deal with hardware too!

[bigdumbgod]

No exodus from Sand Hill Road, no decline in SV tech.