What's up with the liberal stereotype? (Nice: tax, eat, activities)

[mateo45]

Originally Posted by ringwise

First of all, nobody calls it "Cali". Well, except folks on CD.

Secondly, having lived there for 20 years, I do know CA. And your reply pretty much sums up why conservatives pick on CA. Because if you are conservative, you are mocked, ridiculed and bullied.

Well, at least now we know that petty nitpicking and the "speech police" aren't just liberal stereotypes.

Although it appears safe to say that conservatives still have the corner on self-styled "victimhood"!

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by StreetLegal

Or South Carolina....not exactly your liberal stomping ground.

Exactly and I would say the liberal belt on the east coast runs roughly from oh say, Hampton Rhodes VA upward and that band is narrowist in coastal VA.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by ringwise

And your reply pretty much sums up why conservatives pick on CA. Because if you are conservative, you are mocked, ridiculed and bullied.

No, not really. Conservatives tend to be very frustrated that the nation's largest voting state and most economically productive state votes strongly blue.

I am not endorsing blue, or red. Merely observing simple reality. Name calling against liberals by conservative Californians is just easily as inflammatory as the other way around. Juvenile at best any way you look at it.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by ringwise

First of all, nobody calls it "Cali". Well, except folks on CD.

Secondly, having lived there for 20 years, I do know CA. And your reply pretty much sums up why conservatives pick on CA. Because if you are conservative, you are mocked, ridiculed and bullied.

The only conservative who get mocked and bullied here are those whom for whatever reason are dumb enough to go into San Francisco or Los Angeles (city proper) and announce their conservatism. You know full well that if I, as a liberal went into Oklahoma City or Wichita KS and did the same crap, the same thing would happen to me. You see, those on the left are smart enough to avoid such buffoonery.

[mateo45]

^ ^ You make a good point, although frankly it's still hard to see examples of any liberal "equivalency" compared to how far out most conservative ideology has become these days.

I mean how can anyone take seriously, let alone show 'respect' for stuff like Birthers, Global Warming Deniers, Creationism, 'Legitimate Rape', The War on Christmas, "Gays are an abomination against God", or "trickle down economics" (among many others…)?!!

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by mateo45

^ ^ You make a good point, although frankly it's still hard to see examples of any liberal "equivalency" compared to how far out most conservative ideology has become these days.

I mean how can anyone take seriously, let alone show 'respect' for stuff like Birthers, Global Warming Deniers, Creationism, 'Legitimate Rape', The War on Christmas, "Gays are an abomination against God", or "trickle down economics" (among many others…)?!!

Can't argue against that. What's funny is that California was once a bastion of the John Birch Society. How times have changed but sadly it appears to now be overshadowed by the Tea Party. Of course, the liberals/Democrats have their radicals as well. Thus, polarization. Not helpful but extremism rarely is.

[Tulemutt]

I eschew ideological crutches. Intellectual laziness to rely on canned positions.
That said, I am most often assumed a liberal because I am far more likely to criticize conservative extremism than liberal extremism. Pretty much for the reasons Mateo refers to above.

Liberals tend to be unrealistic, but their motivations are almost always "nice". Humans are social animals and liberals tend to err in defense of our nature as such. Their weakness is in believing righteousness can and will ultimately prevail if we just give it a chance. And then they double down on the social gambles without recognizing the other sides of human nature: avarice and greed and a tendency to violent pursuit of same.

Extremist conservatives, OTOH, simply eschew and block and attack anything and everything that isn't grossly individually self-serving. And they typically operate out of fear rather than willingness to sacrifice for the common good.

Either way we are just flapping our lips and spinning our wheels.

[mateo45]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

Can't argue against that. What's funny is that California was once a bastion of the John Birch Society. How times have changed but sadly it appears to now be overshadowed by the Tea Party. Of course, the liberals/Democrats have their radicals as well. Thus, polarization. Not helpful but extremism rarely is.

"Of course" my azz… this sort of "they do it too" false equivalency, especially from "economic conservatives" is just enabling the problem. For starters, even 'radical' Libs don't haul guns into public demonstrations and council meetings, blow up federal buildings, murder abortion doctors, or advocate for "secession" and "failure".

And if in fact there are still any rational conservatives who really wish to be taken seriously, then they need to quit making excuses and start saying "enough" to their own lunatic fringe that's obviously running the show now. Otherwise they're just another part of the problem, instead of part of the solution.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by mateo45

^ ^ You make a good point, although frankly it's still hard to see examples of any liberal "equivalency" compared to how far out most conservative ideology has become these days.

I mean how can anyone take seriously, let alone show 'respect' for stuff like Birthers, Global Warming Deniers, Creationism, 'Legitimate Rape', The War on Christmas, "Gays are an abomination against God", or "trickle down economics" (among many others…)?!!

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

Can't argue against that. What's funny is that California was once a bastion of the John Birch Society. How times have changed but sadly it appears to now be overshadowed by the Tea Party. Of course, the liberals/Democrats have their radicals as well. Thus, polarization. Not helpful but extremism rarely is.

Curmudgeon, your comparison doesn't really hold water. The extremes on the liberal side have been where they are since the 1960's with little change. the conservative side on the other hand started out as just that, conservative. However over the last decade and a half, they have really gone off the deep end and in their case, continue to push the limit as far as they can. Sorry to tell you but denying climate change and excepting climate change are not two points of view looking at the same thing. the deniers use psuedo-science and the element of doubt to make their case. That's not science, it's propaganda.

Another thing the far right does is use fear. Everything is fear and wars. War on Christmas? There's no war on Christmas and anyone who believes so is too infantile to have their opinion taken seriously.

[bigboibob]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

Curmudgeon, your comparison doesn't really hold water. The extremes on the liberal side have been where they are since the 1960's with little change. the conservative side on the other hand started out as just that, conservative. However over the last decade and a half, they have really gone off the deep end and in their case, continue to push the limit as far as they can. Sorry to tell you but denying climate change and excepting climate change are not two points of view looking at the same thing. the deniers use psuedo-science and the element of doubt to make their case. That's not science, it's propaganda.

Another thing the far right does is use fear. Everything is fear and wars. War on Christmas? There's no war on Christmas and anyone who believes so is too infantile to have their opinion taken seriously.

The earths climate changes with or without human intervention. It has never remained constant