Is anyone else tired of hearing about how extremely liberal California is? (2015, school)

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Tens of millions of Americans live happily simplistic lives and move often. Very few of them live on boats. Sequestering a few thousand dollars - or many thousands of dollars - for use in such occasions is not a particularly difficult task for many people who live their lives unencumbered by the kinds of burdens the majority place upon themselves.

Whaddaya know, Tulemtt and I (mostly) agree Generally speaking, Americans do make their lives more complicated and expensive than necessary. Lots of unrealistic/inaccurate expectations about what it takes to live a good/happy life.

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Millions upon millions find ways to maintain close family relationships at varying distances.

Realistically, they're just not going to be as strong if you're living in a different state. That's indisputable.

[mysticaltyger]

Originally Posted by Mini-apple-less

Yeah I agree. I also find most Californians seem to be pretty anti-immigrant. The West Coast in general is one step closer to the Third World/Latin America in terms of fewer services and higher economic inequality.

Maybe the reason for that is we have a much higher proportion of (often illegal) immigrants from 3rd world countries than a state like MD does. This also drives economic inequality since most of these immigrants don't have 1st World job skills. It's easy to be liberal about immigration when you don't have as many immigrants.

[Unsettomati]

Originally Posted by spicymeatball

I just don't see it. California caters to the rich, it's voted against gay marriage at least once in recent years, most people there support the death penalty, it has many evangelical Christians, and there are more self-identified conservatives in the state than self identified liberals. I consider it center to center right politically. It's politically correct, but fiscally speaking it's very conservative. The tax system is very regressive too and most people there seem to despise the homeless even though I always hear about how California is "too good" to the homeless.

Anti-business does not necessarily equal liberal. If someone thinks California is communist or some super lefty haven all that is saying is that they are extremely conservative.

I wouldn't try and draw too many conclusions from what a state did seven years ago on an issue where the public opinion has been shifting at a very rapid pace. Beyond that, until 2012 the 47.8% NO tally in California in 2008 was the best supporters of same-sex marriage had ever done in a statewide referendum at the time (and the nationwide polling average in 2008 for same sex-marriage was about 40%, so touting a 48% metric at the time at the ballot box in California as 'not liberal' doesn't make much sense).

Of course, the issue is indeed complicated, as you note, and my comment above isn't about the broader issue in general. But the 2008 vote really has nothing to do with where California is now, nor did it establish California as not being liberal at the time.

[V8 Vega]

Originally Posted by expatCA

They are trying to make it like CA was, not is.

OK, some want the low cost of living with the Liberal/Socialist atmosphere they liked in CA but didn't like paying for.

Dosen't make any sense. Calif. has one of the highest cost of living in the nation because of the liberal government.

[Curmudgeon]

Originally Posted by V8 Vega

Dosen't make any sense. Calif. has one of the highest cost of living in the nation because of the liberal government.

Since you're still there, does this train of thought have a caboose?

It just might be expensive due to supply and demand. Now there's a radical thought for you.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by V8 Vega

Dosen't make any sense. Calif. has one of the highest cost of living in the nation because of the liberal government.

That is why people move to a lower COL State and then some try to make it CA again.

What is it they say about doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?

It isn't an example of high intelligence at work.

[nslander]

Originally Posted by Curmudgeon

Since you're still there, does this train of thought have a caboose?

It just might be expensive due to supply and demand. Now there's a radical thought for you.

That's just crazy talk.

[MtnSurfer]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Tens of millions of Americans live happily simplistic lives and move often. Very few of them live on boats. Sequestering a few thousand dollars - or many thousands of dollars - for use in such occasions is not a particularly difficult task for many people who live their lives unencumbered by the kinds of burdens the majority place upon themselves. Millions upon millions find ways to maintain close family relationships at varying distances.

Always great to see Tulemutt back to add a little balanced perspective to things.

If one travels to any large or even sometimes smaller city in California it will become obvious than many have moved here from other states and countries, whether middle, lower or upper class. I work with these people every day, most are not natives to the state. They also have family and friends in other places. The fact is society as a whole is much more transient than it is ever was before.

That doesn't mean it's easy moving. But it also doesn't mean its 'insurmountable' unless one is rich. That's just an excuse some use to tell themselves they can't do it. It's a reason to procrastinate rather than working toward a productive goal. Its much easier to complain and bemoan how terrible a place is than to actually do something about it and save to move. We did it with three young kids and e were definitely not rich. Colorado was cheaper and we knew similar 'Californian' friends and family who did the same things. They were mostly middle class folks. Some were even struggling greatly here to make ends meet. Yet they managed to pack up and move out. Heck, I've even seen people on disability do it. So I know that it is not insurmountable if that is really what someone wants to do and they have a realistic plan to do it.

Will some still complain how liberal, terrible, blah, blah, blah, California is until the day they die? You betcha! Will they like it when some suggest they try moving somewhere new? Of course not followed by <add in all the excuses why not here>. So in the end they are miserable living in a place some would give anything to live in. Oh well, it takes every kind of people... And yes, its a free country to live, complain, enjoy, etc... the things you have while here. Make the best or worst of it. It's up to you. Although its certainly easier to blame someone/anyone else (e.g. all those liberals, illegals, et al) than take responsibility for one's own circumstances and sense of wellness.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by MtnSurfer

Always great to see Tulemutt back to add a little balanced perspective to things.

If one travels to any large or even sometimes smaller city in California it will become obvious than many have moved here from other states and countries, whether middle, lower or upper class. I work with these people every day, most are not natives to the state. They also have family and friends in other places. The fact is society as a whole is much more transient than it is ever was before.

That doesn't mean it's easy moving. But it also doesn't mean its 'insurmountable' unless one is rich. That's just an excuse some use to tell themselves they can't do it. It's a reason to procrastinate rather than working toward a productive goal. Its much easier to complain and bemoan how terrible a place is than to actually do something about it and save to move. We did it with three young kids and e were definitely not rich. Colorado was cheaper and we knew similar 'Californian' friends and family who did the same things. They were mostly middle class folks. Some were even struggling greatly here to make ends meet. Yet they managed to pack up and move out. Heck, I've even seen people on disability do it. So I know that it is not insurmountable if that is really what someone wants to do and they have a realistic plan to do it.

Will some still complain how liberal, terrible, blah, blah, blah, California is until the day they die? You betcha! Will they like it when some suggest they try moving somewhere new? Of course not followed by <add in all the excuses why not here>. So in the end they are miserable living in a place some would give anything to live in. Oh well, it takes every kind of people... And yes, its a free country to live, complain, enjoy, etc... the things you have while here. Make the best or worst of it. It's up to you. Although its certainly easier to blame someone/anyone else (e.g. all those liberals, illegals, et al) than take responsibility for one's own circumstances and sense of wellness.

Brilliant post.

Especially the first line.

[bigdumbgod]

Originally Posted by MtnSurfer

Always great to see Tulemutt back to add a little balanced perspective to things.

If one travels to any large or even sometimes smaller city in California it will become obvious than many have moved here from other states and countries, whether middle, lower or upper class. I work with these people every day, most are not natives to the state. They also have family and friends in other places. The fact is society as a whole is much more transient than it is ever was before.

That doesn't mean it's easy moving. But it also doesn't mean its 'insurmountable' unless one is rich. That's just an excuse some use to tell themselves they can't do it. It's a reason to procrastinate rather than working toward a productive goal. Its much easier to complain and bemoan how terrible a place is than to actually do something about it and save to move. We did it with three young kids and e were definitely not rich. Colorado was cheaper and we knew similar 'Californian' friends and family who did the same things. They were mostly middle class folks. Some were even struggling greatly here to make ends meet. Yet they managed to pack up and move out. Heck, I've even seen people on disability do it. So I know that it is not insurmountable if that is really what someone wants to do and they have a realistic plan to do it.

Will some still complain how liberal, terrible, blah, blah, blah, California is until the day they die? You betcha! Will they like it when some suggest they try moving somewhere new? Of course not followed by <add in all the excuses why not here>. So in the end they are miserable living in a place some would give anything to live in. Oh well, it takes every kind of people... And yes, its a free country to live, complain, enjoy, etc... the things you have while here. Make the best or worst of it. It's up to you. Although its certainly easier to blame someone/anyone else (e.g. all those liberals, illegals, et al) than take responsibility for one's own circumstances and sense of wellness.

Nah, clearly it's the liberalcommiepinkos mucking up the works in CA.