Conejo Valley vs. San Ramon Valley(San Ramon, Danville, Alamo, Walnut Creek) (Calabasas: mall, road)

[Dave Coe]

Demographically they are probably similar to but the San Ramon Valley has more Asian and the Conejo more Middle Easterners.

[Dave Coe]

I drove through the Conejo Valley today. It is in a stunning natural location with the mountains and hills but cultural there's nothing there, just mcmansions. None of the cities have charming downtowns like Danvile. Since I've spent less time in the San Ramon Valley it's hard for me talk about it in detail but I will just say that the Conejo Valley is a wasted oppurtunity. I could of been one of the greatest places to live if they planed it better but atleast it's not as overdeveloped as Orange County which is completely ruined. Out of the areas which one is more overdeveloped with sprawl and which one feels more rural?

[Dave Coe]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

Quality of life: San Ramon Valley has one of the most enviable QOLs in the state.

Access to cities and entertainment: San Ramon Valley is closer to a better city environment, Conejo Valley has more entertainment in it's proximity I guess.

Natural Beauty: Tied

Weather: Tied, but I suspect the Conejo Valley is warmer in the winter which is good imo.

I was just there and it had very pleasant winter weather. Sunny but cool and dry about 60 degrees.

[Dave Coe]

Originally Posted by 18Montclair

San Ramon Valley Cities, Average Family Income, Population
Diablo, CA $388,847...969
Norris Canyon, CA $249,411...1,227
Alamo, CA $241,271...15,639
Blackhawk, CA $236,785...9,297
Camino Tassajara, CA $209,250...1,789
Danville, CA $201,709...42,891
San Ramon, CA $165,897...73,826
Population: 145,638...$192,785 Average Family Income

Conejo Valley, Average Family Income, Population
Lake Sherwood, CA $376,518...1,526
Westlake Village, CA $185,198...8,393
Calabasas, CA $184,070...23,956
Oak Park, CA $173,260...14,512
Agoura Hills, CA $151,500...20,630
Thousand Oaks, CA $145,081...128,126
Population: 197,143...$156,520 Average Family Income

If you added Walnut Creek they would be about equal in population, even though only half of Walnut Creek is in the San Ramon Valley.

[nightlysparrow]

Originally Posted by Dave Coe

I drove through the Conejo Valley today. It could of been one of the greatest places to live if they planed it better

Ironic you should say that, because some people feel the area has been held back by 'too much' planning. The unofficial mantra of the city is "We don't want to turn into Los Angeles," meaning sprawl. The city has a very serious General Plan Thousand Oaks - General Plan including projected geographical and population growth with specific limits, and the city is now considered to be "built out" in terms of population absorption and space.

Now as we speak the city council has focused on infill building while avoiding too much density, and that is ongoing. Right now there is a Thousand Oaks Boulevard Specific Plan and Business Development Plan that is creating a walkable/shuttle mixed use housing and retail section of the main street to have more of a downtown feeling, probably anchored by the Civic Arts Plaza across from the Gardens of the World where they already have summer outdoor concerts. There will be an art museum joining the stage theatre complex, more non-chain shops, etc.

Not sure Dave Coe if you are debating which place to settle, but it really comes down to preferring NorCal or SoCal, and if you want adjacently to live nearer the Bay Area or Los Angeles, respectively. Each of those large metros has all the culture one needs, really. In 2015 I went to 14 concerts, for example.

[Dave Coe]

My main complaint is the quality of architecture and that none of the cities have real downtowns.

[Dave Coe]

I recently visited the San Ramon Valley. My personal reference would be the San Ramon Valley but I could see someone preferring the Conejo Valley if they were into the Beach and surfing in Malibu. The San Ramon Valley has actual downtowns such As Walnut Creek and Danville while the Conejo Valley just has strip mall. The San Ramon Valley is wealthy but does not have the degree of trashy crass materialism that exist in places like Calabasas. It's much more laid back. As far as scenery I would give the San Ramon Valley a slight edge.

[Dave Coe]

Originally Posted by nightlysparrow

Ironic you should say that, because some people feel the area has been held back by 'too much' planning. The unofficial mantra of the city is "We don't want to turn into Los Angeles," meaning sprawl. The city has a very serious General Plan Thousand Oaks - General Plan including projected geographical and population growth with specific limits, and the city is now considered to be "built out" in terms of population absorption and space.

Now as we speak the city council has focused on infill building while avoiding too much density, and that is ongoing. Right now there is a Thousand Oaks Boulevard Specific Plan and Business Development Plan that is creating a walkable/shuttle mixed use housing and retail section of the main street to have more of a downtown feeling, probably anchored by the Civic Arts Plaza across from the Gardens of the World where they already have summer outdoor concerts. There will be an art museum joining the stage theatre complex, more non-chain shops, etc.

Not sure Dave Coe if you are debating which place to settle, but it really comes down to preferring NorCal or SoCal, and if you want adjacently to live nearer the Bay Area or Los Angeles, respectively. Each of those large metros has all the culture one needs, really. In 2015 I went to 14 concerts, for example.

Thousand Oaks residents concerned about growth as city updates general plan
Mike Harris
Ventura County Star


https://www.vcstar.com/story/news/lo...ed/5024543001/

[BRinSM]

One thing not ever mentioned in this thread is traffic. While the 680 can get jammed, the 101 is a complete nightmare, even on the weekends. Getting from Thousand Oaks down to LA or up to Santa Barbara can take hours. For that reason alone I’d likely choose SRV over CV.

[roadwarrior101]

Originally Posted by Dave Coe

The San Ramon Valley is wealthy but does not have the degree of trashy crass materialism that exist in places like Calabasas. It's much more laid back.

You obviously haven't hung out much in Blackhawk. LOL