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Old 02-15-2018, 10:38 PM
 
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I somewhat have to agree. It appears that the democrats have their heart in the right place, but over complicate everything. As a result all these ridiculous laws get passed. People for centuries lived without a police force. This is a new concept in civilization. Although police is necessary, most people don't ask for all of these laws. Or perhaps they do. Or they are too busy trying to make money to pay close attention to whats going on around them. We have record high immigration to america even more than when ellis island was open. That could be a reason, people escaping where they came from for a place with strict rule and authority. Meanwhile native Americans, not Indians have been getting fed up with the BS over the last 50 years. The question is wth can we do about it, being that only 20% of the majority's vote/say is used to pass/remove laws/legislation. For Immigrants the US use to be chill like Mexico, without the mass deaths etc. lol
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Old 02-15-2018, 10:51 PM
 
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I somewhat have to agree. It appears that the democrats have their heart in the right place, but over complicate everything. As a result all these ridiculous laws get passed. People for centuries lived without a police force. This is a new concept in civilization. Although police is necessary, most people don't ask for all of these laws. Or perhaps they do. Or they are too busy trying to make money to pay close attention to whats going on around them. We have record high immigration to america even more than when ellis island was open. That could be a reason, people escaping where they came from for a place with strict rule and authority. Meanwhile native Americans, not Indians have been getting fed up with the BS over the last 50 years. The question is wth can we do about it, being that only 20% of the majority's vote/say is used to pass/remove laws/legislation. For Immigrants the US use to be chill like Mexico, without the mass deaths etc. lol
So let me see if I got this right...Democrats created Police Departments and enacted all of our laws?
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Old 02-16-2018, 09:08 AM
 
Location: San Diego
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Old 02-16-2018, 10:50 AM
 
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Interested I posted a tread a while ago as in what kind of laws or legislation attract people towards California?

What I can think of is old Prop 13, though this is becoming less of a thing as many people are buying when property taxes are already high and most sell their property within 10 years.

One important thing in California is while there are notoriously high traffic fines there is one regulation that is strictly monitored on local governments is that speed cameras and unmarked police cars are not allowed to be used for traffic enforcement.
The unmarked cars moratorium keeps the populace safe as used police cars, many sold with colors, spotlights, and push bumper still installed are widely available, its very easy for crooks and gang members to impersonate police cars and seek potential victims. This has been quite an issue in neighboring Arizona, the state that is supposingly freer than California, Which in addition to allowing unmarked cars also seem to be lax on commercial corporation installed speed cameras. And in addition there are quite different options for dismissing a ticket probably due to the long and complicated legislation. Coupled with trail by written declaration and a trial de novo option should that fail. Many companies had opened to help drivers who are unfortunate enough to get a ticket.

And in California realtors(despite stricter regulations on real estate in general) are more in liberty of selling communities based on school performance than in states in the east where in many states they are forbidden to I was surprised to learn that the first time I went to the East coast.

Regarding the drought, it appears the state tend to bully the little ones in looking like they are doing something about it even though their water usage is considered "sesame" when compared to what the state uses for so called "environmental" purposes and what they allow huge corporations such as Almond production to use. The state also loathed to activate their desalination plants during the drought with many still sitting idle with outdated computers using 1990s era 3.5 floppy disks.

Sadly we are headed to a One World Government every day spear headed by all those special interest groups with involvement with the WHO, ICLEI is the inter*na*tion*al envi*ron*men*tal agency of local gov*ern*ments which is a spin off of Agenda 21. Though its up to individuals governments to give in or resist. We the people must do all we can to take control of our politicans not the oppose way around. Alas even if a measure does make it to the public ballot(very rare) and not just voted on by heavily lobbied partison politicians less than 20% of the population votes in elections anyways therefore we are often still controlled by a vocal minority who are keen to get involved in political things that is as little as 6% of the population as long as their votes tops out at 50% of total ballots for that election.

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Old 02-16-2018, 11:18 AM
 
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Interested I posted a tread a while ago as in what kind of laws or legislation attract people towards California?

What I can think of is old Prop 13, though this is becoming less of a thing as many people are buying when property taxes are already high and most sell their property within 10 years.

One important thing in California is while there are notoriously high traffic fines there is one regulation that is strictly monitored on local governments is that speed cameras and unmarked police cars are not allowed to be used for traffic enforcement.
The unmarked cars moratorium keeps the populace safe as used police cars, many sold with colors, spotlights, and push bumper still installed are widely available, its very easy for crooks and gang members to impersonate police cars and seek potential victims. This has been quite an issue in neighboring Arizona, the state that is supposingly freer than California, Which in addition to allowing unmarked cars also seem to be lax on commercial corporation installed speed cameras.
And in addition there are quite different options for dismissing a ticket probably due to the long and complicated legislation. Coupled with trail by written declaration and a trial de novo option should that fail. Many companies had opened to help drivers who are unfortunate enough to get a ticket.

And in California realtors(despite stricter regulations on real estate in general) are more in liberty of selling communities based on school performance than in states in the east where in many states they are forbidden to I was surprised to learn that the first time I went to the East coast.
Regarding the drought, it appears the state tend to bully the little ones in looking like they are doing something about it even though their water usage is considered "sesame" when compared to what the state uses for so called "environmental" purposes and what they allow huge corporations such as Almond production to use. The state also loathed to activate their desalination plants during the drought with many still sitting idle with outdated computers using 1990s era 3.5 floppy disks.

Sadly we are headed to a One World Government every day spear headed by all those special interest groups with involvement with the WHO, ICLEI is the inter*na*tion*al envi*ron*men*tal agency of local gov*ern*ments which is a spin off of Agenda 21. Though its up to individuals governments to give in or resist. We the people must do all we can to take control of our politicans not the oppose way around. Alas even if a measure does make it to the public ballot(very rare) and not just voted on by heavily lobbied partison politicians less than 20% of the population votes in elections anyways therefore we are often still controlled by a vocal minority who are keen to get involved in political things that is as little as 6% of the population as long as their votes tops out at 50% of total ballots for that election.
Crooks drive old police cars, everyone has to sell their house in 10 years, realtors sell houses in good school districts but are forbidden to do that in other states, agenda 21...wow, I don't even know where to start so I'm going to pass on this
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Old 02-17-2018, 12:23 AM
 
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Simple, all the blatantly unconstitutional infringements on individual rights are due to the liberal mindset which doesn't believe in the supremacy of the individual. They simply do not care if something is unconstitutional as long as it furthers the party agenda in its lockstep march towards Big Government socialism and communism. In fact if the left could simply ban private property and original thoughts, they'd be pleased as punch. That's their main goal - to eliminate any means of political and physical resistance as well as the discouragement of any unapproved notions that might provoke someone to resist.

All the ridiculous and absurd social laws are due to the liberal mindset to which do-gooder control freaks subscribe ; that the government knows best how to manage the lives of others, even if it means endangering those lives by exposing them to invaders, criminals, perverts, and subversive ideas about societal norms.
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Old 02-17-2018, 10:23 PM
 
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Crooks drive old police cars, everyone has to sell their house in 10 years, realtors sell houses in good school districts but are forbidden to do that in other states, agenda 21...wow, I don't even know where to start so I'm going to pass on this
I understand what he was talking about.

Not really sure if the unmarked cops cars thing is an example of more strict laws - its more prohibitive on government, and I think the topic was laws that are prohibitive on the PEOPLE.
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Old 02-17-2018, 11:35 PM
 
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Simple, all the blatantly unconstitutional infringements on individual rights are due to the liberal mindset which doesn't believe in the supremacy of the individual. They simply do not care if something is unconstitutional as long as it furthers the party agenda in its lockstep march towards Big Government socialism and communism. In fact if the left could simply ban private property and original thoughts, they'd be pleased as punch. That's their main goal - to eliminate any means of political and physical resistance as well as the discouragement of any unapproved notions that might provoke someone to resist.

All the ridiculous and absurd social laws are due to the liberal mindset to which do-gooder control freaks subscribe ; that the government knows best how to manage the lives of others, even if it means endangering those lives by exposing them to invaders, criminals, perverts, and subversive ideas about societal norms.
Hmmm. If you'd been paying attention to the world around you and our history ... um, you'd realize we human “individuals” aren't a bunch of “supreme” anythings ... except arses. But don't let that stop you from pretending otherwise ... it's funny to watch.

As far as who gets to define what's unconstitutional: that's what courts do. Not you. Challenge away ...
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Old 02-21-2018, 01:25 PM
 
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I wish that politicians everywhere would spend more time cleaning up the legal system. And target issues like pensions which are draining our taxpayer funds dry too quickly and causing the state to be desperate to milk more money from individuals.

Also I am interested in what are the priorities of our politicians these days. Especially when I see all these talk and legislation about transgender access to public restroom facilities. Interesting they focus on this rather than the dearth of public facilities for everyone. Pretty much everyone I know, politicians included would find the challenge of being out and about to find clean toilet facilities which they can use when nature calls. In the post fear driven 9/11 and local budget strained world many true public facilities are permanently shuttered(i.e subway station and park bathrooms), and many private establishments/eateries are reluctant to share their toilets if they even have one especially if you are walking in off the street as toilets cost money to maintain. City streets, bushes, and subway stations reek of urine and feces and not just from homeless people either.

From what I can read on this website of American restroom association americanrestroom.org It appears this is an universal issue that politicians including pro nanny staters in many areas constantly overlook.
Though Isn't it common sense to incorporate minimum toilet facilities which all can access based on zoning? With the advent of self cleaning toilets this shouldn't be too hard to implement these days.

We should start by requiring strip mall shopping centers to have designated toilet facilties accessible to all patrons within a reasonable walking distance, just as with what's done in well established malls, and employees should be shown how to direct customers to the bathroom by posting a map at the entrance of the store and at check stands.
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Old 02-21-2018, 06:30 PM
 
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I wish that politicians everywhere would spend more time cleaning up the legal system. And target issues like pensions which are draining our taxpayer funds dry too quickly and causing the state to be desperate to milk more money from individuals.

Also I am interested in what are the priorities of our politicians these days. Especially when I see all these talk and legislation about transgender access to public restroom facilities. Interesting they focus on this rather than the dearth of public facilities for everyone. Pretty much everyone I know, politicians included would find the challenge of being out and about to find clean toilet facilities which they can use when nature calls. In the post fear driven 9/11 and local budget strained world many true public facilities are permanently shuttered(i.e subway station and park bathrooms), and many private establishments/eateries are reluctant to share their toilets if they even have one especially if you are walking in off the street as toilets cost money to maintain. City streets, bushes, and subway stations reek of urine and feces and not just from homeless people either.

From what I can read on this website of American restroom association americanrestroom.org It appears this is an universal issue that politicians including pro nanny staters in many areas constantly overlook.
Though Isn't it common sense to incorporate minimum toilet facilities which all can access based on zoning? With the advent of self cleaning toilets this shouldn't be too hard to implement these days.

We should start by requiring strip mall shopping centers to have designated toilet facilties accessible to all patrons within a reasonable walking distance, just as with what's done in well established malls, and employees should be shown how to direct customers to the bathroom by posting a map at the entrance of the store and at check stands.
Nope do what France did and have toilets available on the streets for anyone to use.
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