Proposition 47 Discussion (attorney, camper, cost)

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

Being released isn't based on the sheriff's department desire to keep criminals, it is based on court sentencing. Most of the court sentencing and thus release is dictated either by statute, like prop 47 or local courts deciding to be soft on crime, usually this happens in big counties like SF, LA, etc.

That's incorrect; for years LA County jail has released sentenced offenders after doing 5% or 10% of their sentence, actually prop 47 has reduced overcrowding to the point where serious offenders are now doing 100% of their sentenced time:

"A huge drop in the Los Angeles County jail population has allowed officials to require the most serious offenders to serve 100 percent of their sentences - up from 40 percent - and other offenders are serving 90 percent, up from 10 percent."]A huge drop in the Los Angeles County jail population has allowed officials to require the most serious offenders to serve 100 percent of their sentences - up from 40 percent - and other offenders are serving 90 percent, up from 10 percent. Serious offenders in LA County prisons now serving 100 percent of their sentences | 89.3 KPCC

And here's a story of how it was before prop 47:
"LAX stowaway freed from jail after serving only 3 days of 6-month term"

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

That's incorrect; for years LA County jail has released sentenced offenders after doing 5% or 10% of their sentence, actually prop 47 has reduced overcrowding to the point where serious offenders are now doing 100% of their sentenced time:

And here's a story of how it was before prop 47:
"LAX stowaway freed from jail after serving only 3 days of 6-month term"

The jail doesn't determine when someone is released, the court does.

The jail just does as they are told, holds people when court says to hold them, releases them when the court says to release them.

Prop 47 reduced the length of sentences and converted many crimes from felonies to misdemeanors (which also reduced sentences).

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

The jail doesn't determine when someone is released, the court does.
The jail just does as they are told, holds people when court says to hold them, releases them when the court says to release them. Prop 47 reduced the length of sentences and converted many crimes from felonies to misdemeanors (which also reduced sentences).

You are parroting the exact same thing that you already said. Please try to understand this:

• For several years LA County jail has been releasing prisoners who have only served 5-10% of their sentence
  
  
• Prop 47 has reduced overcrowding the LA county jail so that sentenced offenders are now serving 100% of their time

I gave you sources for both of those FACTS. please either dispute them with verifiable data of your own, or let's move on to another subject.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

You are parroting the exact same thing that you already said. Please try to understand this:

• For several years LA County jail has been releasing prisoners who have only served 5-10% of their sentence
  
  
• Prop 47 has reduced overcrowding the LA county jail so that sentenced offenders are now serving 100% of their time

I gave you sources for both of those FACTS. please either dispute them with verifiable data of your own, or let's move on to another subject.

You really just don't understand how the criminal justice system works.

The jail doesn't determine release, I have first hand knowledge of how the court and the jail interact to determine who is released and who is housed and it isn't the jail determining to release someone. The court system determine who is released and at what time and then the jail releases them pursuant to court order.

[notmeofficer]

Originally Posted by It is 57 below zero

That's some straight up laziness and nonsense. Then the police aren't doing their jobs very well.

Or y'all need to hire some more police officers. Detroit has a police shortage and probably the highest crime rate in the nation. They could definitely use some more staff. Chicago could, too.

This proves that California's not getting its priorities straight. Or if they are, their top priorities aren't anything important. Well as you said, at LEAST they respond quickly to anything involving a firearm, or children. Property crimes count, too, and having a house broken into should also be at the top of the list.

Being told to go online and make a report? Please. By the time the police get to it, the criminals would be harder to catch if so much time passes, unless they can find enough evidence or witnesses.

Thats called allocation of resources
Burglary reports go to crime analysis.. which then catalogs data on them.. which is then distributed to patrol... there are few "first timers" ..usually a burglar ,when caught,will clear a number of burgs... now "hot prowl" burgs will get fast immediate response

What can you do to prevent that burglary.. simple.. lock up... use all the deterrents you can.. dogs alarms motion activated devices.. cameras.. and neighbors.. if you are burglarized and there are obvious prints.. preserve them.. ask for a tech to process.. they can only say no.. if they do.. call the detective bureau.. tell them you have prints.. speak to the detective handling that area...

AFIS.. the automatic fingerprint identifier will catch anyone who has been arrested before
Daytime burgs.. kids and dopers
Night time burgs... professionals and dangerous people

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

You really just don't understand how the criminal justice system works.
The jail doesn't determine release, I have first hand knowledge of how the court and the jail interact to determine who is released and who is housed and it isn't the jail determining to release someone. The court system determine who is released and at what time and then the jail releases them pursuant to court order.

I know more about the CJ system than you may think, and you are wrong. LASO has released sentenced inmates who have done 5-10% of their time for the past several years.

Men convicted of nonviolent crimes are generally freed after serving as little as 20% of the time they had left in jail after their sentencing hearings. That's in addition to credits under state law that mean most inmates already serve only half of their sentences. Women convicted of nonviolent crimes are generally freed after serving 10%. Men and women convicted of certain serious crimes, including robbery, assault with a deadly weapon and misdemeanor child molestation, are released after serving as little as 40% of their remaining terms

How much time will I actually serve in an LA County jail?” This is one of the most common questions asked by someone facing time in a Los Angeles County Jail. Before the passage of Prop 47, the answer was generally “about 10% for non-violent crimes.” That meant that on a 180 day sentence for a non-violent offense, you would be sentenced to serve 90 actual days (LA county jail inmates usually get 1 day credit for 1 day served). Due to overcrowding, the Sheriff’s department would release inmates after only doing about 10% of the time. So that meant of the actual 90 days, the defendant would only serve about 9 days.

I was over-detained in the jail. People sentenced to a year or less serve between 10 and 15 percent of their sentence, and at that point I had been there around 18 percent. They had also transferred me to a jail where no one was "county" (less than a year) but me. None of the deputies would listen to me and I started to feel like something was very wrong. I wrote this note in the hopes that it would get someone's attention and get me out of the jail. It worked.

Men convicted of nonviolent crimes are generally freed after serving as little as 20% of the time they had left in jail after their sentencing hearings. That's in addition to credits under state law that mean most inmates already serve only half of their sentences. Women convicted of nonviolent crimes are generally freed after serving 10%. Men and women convicted of certain serious crimes, including robbery, assault with a deadly weapon and misdemeanor child molestation, are released after serving as little as 40% of their remaining terms

In Los Angeles County, with a quarter of California's jail population, male inmates often are released after serving as little as 10% of their sentences and female prisoners after 5%

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

I know more about the CJ system than you may think, and you are wrong. LASO has released sentenced inmates who have done 5-10% of their time for the past several years.

Men convicted of nonviolent crimes are generally freed after serving as little as 20% of the time they had left in jail after their sentencing hearings. That's in addition to credits under state law that mean most inmates already serve only half of their sentences. Women convicted of nonviolent crimes are generally freed after serving 10%. Men and women convicted of certain serious crimes, including robbery, assault with a deadly weapon and misdemeanor child molestation, are released after serving as little as 40% of their remaining terms

How much time will I actually serve in an LA County jail?” This is one of the most common questions asked by someone facing time in a Los Angeles County Jail. Before the passage of Prop 47, the answer was generally “about 10% for non-violent crimes.” That meant that on a 180 day sentence for a non-violent offense, you would be sentenced to serve 90 actual days (LA county jail inmates usually get 1 day credit for 1 day served). Due to overcrowding, the Sheriff’s department would release inmates after only doing about 10% of the time. So that meant of the actual 90 days, the defendant would only serve about 9 days.

I was over-detained in the jail. People sentenced to a year or less serve between 10 and 15 percent of their sentence, and at that point I had been there around 18 percent. They had also transferred me to a jail where no one was "county" (less than a year) but me. None of the deputies would listen to me and I started to feel like something was very wrong. I wrote this note in the hopes that it would get someone's attention and get me out of the jail. It worked.

Men convicted of nonviolent crimes are generally freed after serving as little as 20% of the time they had left in jail after their sentencing hearings. That's in addition to credits under state law that mean most inmates already serve only half of their sentences. Women convicted of nonviolent crimes are generally freed after serving 10%. Men and women convicted of certain serious crimes, including robbery, assault with a deadly weapon and misdemeanor child molestation, are released after serving as little as 40% of their remaining terms

In Los Angeles County, with a quarter of California's jail population, male inmates often are released after serving as little as 10% of their sentences and female prisoners after 5%

And in the majority of cases, the perp has learned that the punishment does not fit the crime, so he does it again as it doesn't scare him. Some learn but most don't. Ask yourself if you would do anything wrong if the minimum term was 5 years and no lowering of the sentence?

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by expatCA

And in the majority of cases, the perp has learned that the punishment does not fit the crime, so he does it again as it doesn't scare him. Some learn but most don't. Ask yourself if you would do anything wrong if the minimum term was 5 years and no lowering of the sentence?

Great idea!!!
In 2011 195,218 people were convicted of a felony It costs around $62,000 per inmate, per year to incarcerate an inmate in state prison in California

$62,000 per year X 5 years = $310,000
$310,000 X 195,218 offenders = $60,517,580,000
Are you prepared to pay for that?

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

I know more about the CJ system than you may think, and you are wrong. LASO has released sentenced inmates who have done 5-10% of their time for the past several years.

Men convicted of nonviolent crimes are generally freed after serving as little as 20% of the time they had left in jail after their sentencing hearings. That's in addition to credits under state law that mean most inmates already serve only half of their sentences. Women convicted of nonviolent crimes are generally freed after serving 10%. Men and women convicted of certain serious crimes, including robbery, assault with a deadly weapon and misdemeanor child molestation, are released after serving as little as 40% of their remaining terms

How much time will I actually serve in an LA County jail?” This is one of the most common questions asked by someone facing time in a Los Angeles County Jail. Before the passage of Prop 47, the answer was generally “about 10% for non-violent crimes.” That meant that on a 180 day sentence for a non-violent offense, you would be sentenced to serve 90 actual days (LA county jail inmates usually get 1 day credit for 1 day served). Due to overcrowding, the Sheriff’s department would release inmates after only doing about 10% of the time. So that meant of the actual 90 days, the defendant would only serve about 9 days.

I was over-detained in the jail. People sentenced to a year or less serve between 10 and 15 percent of their sentence, and at that point I had been there around 18 percent. They had also transferred me to a jail where no one was "county" (less than a year) but me. None of the deputies would listen to me and I started to feel like something was very wrong. I wrote this note in the hopes that it would get someone's attention and get me out of the jail. It worked.

Men convicted of nonviolent crimes are generally freed after serving as little as 20% of the time they had left in jail after their sentencing hearings. That's in addition to credits under state law that mean most inmates already serve only half of their sentences. Women convicted of nonviolent crimes are generally freed after serving 10%. Men and women convicted of certain serious crimes, including robbery, assault with a deadly weapon and misdemeanor child molestation, are released after serving as little as 40% of their remaining terms

In Los Angeles County, with a quarter of California's jail population, male inmates often are released after serving as little as 10% of their sentences and female prisoners after 5%

You are really missing the point. The jail isn't making the decision to release them, it is the court.


The jail doesn't have some guy sitting behind a desk determining to release prisoner 6, 23, and 47. The courts determine the sentence, when completed, the jail releases them. Sometime before the sentence is over a person gets parol or probation, as determined by the court, then the jail releases them. Determining jail time has many factors, such as time served, credit for good behavior, sentence modification because of various props, like prop 47, completion of various treatment programs, concurrent sentences , etc all impact the length of sentence.

Someone might be in custody before sentencing for a couple of weeks because they couldn't make bail. This time is usually accredited at 1.5x the time served towards the sentence. So if someone is in jail for two weeks and then gets a sentence of 3 weeks in jail they will be released at sentencing as time has been served at that point.

I know what I am talking about, trust me. I'll pm you my credentials on the subject if you are so interested.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Great idea!!!
In 2011 195,218 people were convicted of a felony It costs around $62,000 per inmate, per year to incarcerate an inmate in state prison in California

$62,000 per year X 5 years = $310,000
$310,000 X 195,218 offenders = $60,517,580,000
Are you prepared to pay for that?

The better question is why we pay twice as much to house an inmate in California compared to many other states and much higher than the national average.

If it is determined that we don't want to pay to house criminals then we would be getting rid of crimes, not arresting people and then letting them go like we are with prop 47 and ab109.