Is California doing so well that they can provide $15/hr minimum wage? (Los Angeles: renting, houses)

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Motion

How will $15 min wage affect prices?




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbc7uZdbcXE

OMG! An anonymous caller to CSPAN says we're doomed!

Yo, all you deep thinkers who keep posting opinion pieces from blogs written by chowderheads, the fact that your opinion inventory is a bottomless well doesn't prove a thing. There have been four threads going simultaneously on this topic. A handful of posters have contributed actual, factual evidence that the sky isn't falling as proven in markets around the globe that experience high minimum wages without having caused massive layoffs or businesses to crumble. This does not mean there won't be adverse effects from other dynamics unique to California. But it does mean that, unless you can identify such unknown co-morbid negative factors, your parroting of speculative opinions is nothing more than mindless chatter.

[Motion]

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The jury is still out. When was the last time a minimum wage was raised as high as $15 an hour? Do you really see $15 an hour happening nationwide anytime soon?

[V8 Vega]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

OMG! An anonymous caller to CSPAN says we're doomed!

Yo, all you deep thinkers who keep posting opinion pieces from blogs written by chowderheads, the fact that your opinion inventory is a bottomless well doesn't prove a thing. There have been four threads going simultaneously on this topic. A handful of posters have contributed actual, factual evidence that the sky isn't falling as proven in markets around the globe that experience high minimum wages without having caused massive layoffs or businesses to crumble. This does not mean there won't be adverse effects from other dynamics unique to California. But it does mean that, unless you can identify such unknown co-morbid negative factors, your parroting of speculative opinions is nothing more than mindless chatter.

I guess you don't care about higher prices for everything.

[sourdough]

Originally Posted by V8 Vega

I guess you don't care about higher prices for everything.

said, Chicken Little.

[Dennis P]

Originally Posted by vdy1985

Automation will solve this problem for businesses.

This article regarding self-service kiosks outlines how it's done: America, Meet McDonald's Self-Service Kiosks - BuzzFeed News

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Motion

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The jury is still out. When was the last time a minimum wage was raised as high as $15 an hour? Do you really see $15 an hour happening nationwide anytime soon?

Well, let's look for some historic precedence. In 1949 Truman nearly doubled the minimum wage, from 40 cents to 75 cents an hour The economy prospered and unemployment dropped.

The California minimum wage is not going to double nor is it increasing significantly in the short term. It is set to increase 50% over 6 or 7 years, so I would say given the example of 1949, the jury has returned and the minimum wage increase in California will not cause economic collapse, vast unemployment or any of the other hair on fire nonsense that has been suggested in this thread

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Well, let's look for some historic precedence. In 1949 Truman nearly doubled the minimum wage, from 40 cents to 75 cents an hour The economy prospered and unemployment dropped.

The California minimum wage is not going to double nor is it increasing significantly in the short term. It is set to increase 50% over 6 or 7 years, so I would say given the example of 1949, the jury has returned and the minimum wage increase in California will not cause economic collapse, vast unemployment or any of the other hair on fire nonsense that has been suggested in this thread

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Hair on fire! Hair on fire! My hair is on fire!

(This is roughly the mentality of these threads. Now we return to your most threatening illusions!)

[peter_midnight]

Originally Posted by 04kL4nD

I certainly can't speak for all Californians, but I am personally dying to hear from those who don't even live here about what they think will happen.

I'm a native Californian (lived there until I was 30) and currently live in the South.

I left because I found that I would have more money in my pocket if I made the same money, but lived in a low COL state.

As for this topic, I think that when costs go up, the people that don't make minimum wage are going to be the ones that are going to be losing money. Right now, I make about the equivalent to LA 88k, but I don't have the experience necessary for any company in LA to justify paying me 88k (for many if not all companies 88k is 88k regardless of COL). My level of discretionary income is the same according to COL calculators (it's probably higher since I don't have to deal with traffic keeping my gas costs down). Obviously, I don't get the LA weather, but businesses don't see it that way. So, I think you'll see business that make money on the margin leave the state when this goes up.

As for fast food, robots will replace the workers. I used to live in a town close to Nashville where Hardee's (Carl's Jr in the west) was offering discounts to people that used the touch screen to order their food instead of the worker. My guess is that this is the future in order to keep prices from rising. And guess what? I prefer the touch screen as it didn't give me any attitude when I ordered and it allowed me to order how I like my burger w/out any human errors.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by peter_midnight

As for fast food, robots will replace the workers. I used to live in a town close to Nashville where Hardee's (Carl's Jr in the west) was offering discounts to people that used the touch screen to order their food instead of the worker. My guess is that this is the future in order to keep prices from rising. And guess what? I prefer the touch screen as it didn't give me any attitude when I ordered and it allowed me to order how I like my burger w/out any human errors.

Apps or kiosks that allow the customer to place their own order are not even offered in an attempt to replace employees, they are used because it has been proven that if a customer places their own order they are more apt to spend more money. I can order pizza, burgers, chinese take out and mexican food all from my phone and prepay for it. That has not had any effect on employment and is not what most people consider 'automation', which by the way will occur when it is financially feasible no matter what the minimum wage is.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by peter_midnight

... blah blah blah ...
As for fast food, robots will replace the workers. I used to live in a town close to Nashville where Hardee's (Carl's Jr in the west) was offering discounts to people that used the touch screen to order their food instead of the worker. My guess is that this is the future in order to keep prices from rising. And guess what? I prefer the touch screen as it didn't give me any attitude when I ordered and it allowed me to order how I like my burger w/out any human errors.

Cheese-whiz folks - this is nothing new.

(Food) ... automats first appeared in Germany and Scandinavia in the 1890s. The first Automat in the United States opened in 1902 near New York’s Union Square. However, it failed to gain mass appeal and closed three years later. The Philadelphia area’s first Automat is credited to Joseph Horn (1861-1941) and Frank Hardart (1850-1918), whose local baking company imported the technology from Quisiana, a Berlin-based manufacturer. While European Automats were small, novelty-like affairs with unreliable brass machines, the American version pioneered by Horn and Hardart was larger and grander, with Art Deco accents, chrome paneling, stained glass windows, vaulted ceilings, and improved mechanization.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrbyqUOObdU

Get a grip.