Scenario: How a Donald Trump Presidency would impact the demographics of California

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by majoun

I don't even think illegal Latino immigrants would go anywhere unless they committed crimes. Mass deportation is way too expensive and there would be a great deal of resistance to pulling it off. Trump would enforce laws on the books about deporting criminals and forbidding sanctuary cities (which Cruz or Kasich would also do), and that's about it as far as Latino immigrants go.

More likely, Trump would make life really, really hard for Muslims.

And if that happened, I would fight furiously alongside the secular or moderate Moslems to change that fact. But of course, those aren't the ones we are worried about.

[Luke9686]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Do tell us how.

Now, in general, in the past, I have pretty much agreed with those sentiments. And I have confidence in human nature that it will always tend toward chicanery and snake-oil, Machiavellian intrigue and sociopathic manipulations. But, at this particular juncture in history, I believe we are experiencing what is known academically as an historical "hiccup". I don't think the .001% give a rat's tail. But I think a lot of the next tier 1% manipulators are looking for their shorts what got misplaced. There are a whole passelful of tricks and triggers that aren't working behind the curtain at the moment. Quite hilarious. We'll get back to oppressive manipulation soon enough. But this election is up for grabs.

What can be done by whomever wins will once again face the ultimately insurmountable pressure of those who create and control the money supply.

During the Bush era court cases, a computer programmer testified to congress that it would be fairly easy to create a program that counts the vote one way but displays the vote on the paper rolls another.

All I'm saying is if a group of people have the power to rig the entire economy in their favor, they have the power to rig elections. Everything is electronic these days, computer systems have flaws.

Oh and by the way, it just turns out the voting machine company has a close relationship with the Bush administration. Watch a documentary called Hacking Democracy.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Not to mention, what do you do to the citizen children of illegal immigrants? Retroactively revoke birthright citizenship, or put them all in foster homes?

The same as you would with birthright tourists. When they become 18 they are free to re-enter even if the illegals take them home with them. Why would someone leave their kids? I do believe they understood the risks involved. What do they do with their existing families already in their old Country?

They weren't about to leave and come back because they couldn't. Unless breaking the law yet again.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Luke9686

During the Bush era court cases, a computer programmer testified to congress that it would be fairly easy to create a program that counts the vote one way but displays the vote on the paper rolls another.

All I'm saying is if a group of people have the power to rig the entire economy in their favor, they have the power to rig elections. Everything is electronic these days, computer systems have flaws.

Oh and by the way, it just turns out the voting machine company has a close relationship with the Bush administration. Watch a documentary called Hacking Democracy.

Oh, the conspiracy bit. Yeah, I know about those voting machine tricks and relationships.

You know, there was an article recently somewhere I should try to find for you. About a study done to guage the difficulty of concealing conspiracies. They certainly do exist. But it was shown that the larger the number of people involved in executing a conspiracy the greater the chance of it being revealed. Which is kinda obvious. But the statistical curve was amazing for something such as you suggest that would involve a great number of people of many different types. Voter fraud has never worked out in great numbers. Miniscule, actually. Totally ripe for scandal to go public. Nope. Not going to happen here. Not this cycle.

Btw, you know how the economy is rigged? It was "rigged" a hundred or so years back with the establishment of the reserve banking system, which was an evolution of several previous systems in history. And the people who control the reserve banking system and create money really don't worry much about mundane things like presidential elections because - well, monetary supply is the real control. The next lower level of manipulators function on a different system. It's called opportunism. They finance both sides of wars and such. They aren't too concerned here either. Human nature always presents opportunities to play both sides of conflicts.

It's the industrial magnates and business / commercial financiers who worry because their ability to rape and pillage the economy for their individual gains is subject to disruption. They're the ones trying to finagle the election. But they ain't so cooperative with each other. Conspiracies fall apart too easily in a den of thieves. Not to worry.