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OF COURSE you missed the POINT.....I meant open doors to let the rest of the world in.....dont take out of context to win points....I SAID HELP AMERICANS......that includes acts of nature.
WE DONT NEED to bring in the 3rd world....and it is those who have ruined and are ruining this country........
BTW.....I have been one of those people.....no one helped us AT ALL...no frickin agency...only family helped....
Im tired of hearing about immigrants and their plight....
Small business owners that oppose the min wage hike aren't being greedy, they are just worried that they won't be able to stay in business.
These workers also signed up for the wage they are working for. They could have chosen not to work for $10 an hour too.
The small business owners , many of whom have owned their businesses for decades had this come to them as a surprise...after they have invested tons of money ,effort and time into their businesses.
I know the pro $15 hour crowd says, "It's easy just hike up the prices!" of course it's unknown whether people are going to pay those higher prices. Also many of these businesses are serving low income individuals are customers. Fast food place,etc.
Many of the employees at high end places are doing fine with big spenders leaving big tips on steaks , lobster and alcohol.
Also in regards to housing , perhaps it's true nobody needs luxury housing.
But on the other hand hardly any low and middle income people NEED to live in one of the most expensive cities in America.
The only situation I can think of is someone having a serious or rare medical condition where they need to be near a particular hospital.
There are certain things the government should be in charge of...but I don't think regulating the private property housing market is something they should be involved in or something they are good at.
Yeah it would be awesome if everyone could have an affordable or even free apartment in the best part of town...but that's just not a reality. Anywhere in the world. Whether it's capitalist , socialist or communist.
Your statement about accepting a job at a given salary is just not fair. It may have been true in the past, but the job market today sucks. Minimum wage jobs constitute a larger portion of available jobs than at any other time in American history.
You can say that people should pay more attention to getting a better education or getting better training but it really is not fair to chastise people for taking the best job they can find.
Same thing with housing. Yes, many choose to live in LA without necessarily having to, but many live here because of circumstances. They may not have the means or options to move. They deserve at least the opportunity to live in decent housing at an affordable and fair rent. By the way, I didn't say cheap rent. If you can't buy a giant TV, own a fancy car, go out all the time so you can pay rent, so be it. But rent should not mean you can't eat, afford a cheap car, and go to the movies once or twice a month. And, no home ownership is not a guarantee.
I don't expect affordable housing in Beverly Hills, Holmby Hills, Pacific Palisades, Malibu, etc. By all means, build all the luxury housing you want in those areas. But "gentrifying" just to push up rents is plain wrong.
You are right that the government should not be involved in every aspect of our lives. That requires that we act as responsible citizens of a society and show some small compassion for our fellow human beings.
OF COURSE you missed the POINT.....I meant open doors to let the rest of the world in.....dont take out of context to win points....I SAID HELP AMERICANS......that includes acts of nature.
WE DONT NEED to bring in the 3rd world....and it is those who have ruined and are ruining this country........
"Americans." You are in the "Us-vs-Them" mindset. You could become "them" at any moment. The fine citizens of Maine could ask themselves, "Why should we support ChristinePlovesME anymore? She's a drag on the budget now that she's run out of money for her cancer treatment."
Your statement about accepting a job at a given salary is just not fair. It may have been true in the past, but the job market today sucks. Minimum wage jobs constitute a larger portion of available jobs than at any other time in American history.
You can say that people should pay more attention to getting a better education or getting better training but it really is not fair to chastise people for taking the best job they can find.
Same thing with housing. Yes, many choose to live in LA without necessarily having to, but many live here because of circumstances. They may not have the means or options to move. They deserve at least the opportunity to live in decent housing at an affordable and fair rent. By the way, I didn't say cheap rent. If you can't buy a giant TV, own a fancy car, go out all the time so you can pay rent, so be it. But rent should not mean you can't eat, afford a cheap car, and go to the movies once or twice a month. And, no home ownership is not a guarantee.
I don't expect affordable housing in Beverly Hills, Holmby Hills, Pacific Palisades, Malibu, etc. By all means, build all the luxury housing you want in those areas. But "gentrifying" just to push up rents is plain wrong.
You are right that the government should not be involved in every aspect of our lives. That requires that we act as responsible citizens of a society and show some small compassion for our fellow human beings.
Many points correct but some are not.
I have been around longer than I like at times and watched the changes.
I can address OC specifically. It was a Blue collar County and people worked at many jobs that no longer exist as they have either been driven out by growth or gone overseas for cheaper wages. My neighbors and all buying their own homes, were all one family earners. Now the supply of land hasn't changed, but the amount of build-able land has, so prices go up. The attraction of SoCal has brought more people here as well, thus driving home prices up. Finding a one earner family is rare now because of costs for everything now "needed" but not existing long ago and ... do not make life any better, just more complex and expensive (And no, I will not give up my lap top or cell phone)
However there are more poor in OC now for several reasons and one was the emphasis on a College education. Nothing against one, but for many it was of no real value and worse is the debt they now have. For those who could not go, and this happened for a variety of reasons, they are hurting more for work, because the type of work they could well be good at, and was the core of OC in the past, is pretty much gone. Trade schools would be great for many but even they have problems with placement as the jobs market is shrinking as MFG jobs are fewer and many filled by illegals at a lower than legal wage. This harms those who may not, or even cannot benefit from a college education, plus many kids go to college and party and come out with nothing of value for the time and expense.
IT jobs and in the medical field are doing well in many areas of CA but only so many job openings exist. This is the case in many fields and what is a young person to do? CA is becoming divided not just between rich and poor, but rich and those who actually have some saleable education/skills. Some of the changes are simply life at work and there is nothing that can be done about them. Others were driven by political ideals and goals, that sound good, but in real world conditions are not so good. This is why Bernie and Trump are doing so well, people see the problem with politicians and are getting tired of it.
Solution? None. If you want to live in SoCal had a decent education in a specialty that is viable for getting a decent paying job. If not plan on not doing so well, or moving to a State or area of CA where the competition for jobs and housing is not as great and plan on living on less, but needing less. If you want SoCal either accept the problems or plan wayyy ahead, save like mad and be in a position to enter the market and do well. The 50's, 60's and 70's are gone and only those who were able to buy in the few decades after that are not hurting as they bought homes when prices were reasonable for most wage earners. Now either have a lot of money for a down payment, a very well paying job or .......... buy a boat, live alone and park it next to Mutt.
Your statement about accepting a job at a given salary is just not fair. It may have been true in the past, but the job market today sucks. Minimum wage jobs constitute a larger portion of available jobs than at any other time in American history.
You can say that people should pay more attention to getting a better education or getting better training but it really is not fair to chastise people for taking the best job they can find.
Same thing with housing. Yes, many choose to live in LA without necessarily having to, but many live here because of circumstances. They may not have the means or options to move. They deserve at least the opportunity to live in decent housing at an affordable and fair rent. By the way, I didn't say cheap rent. If you can't buy a giant TV, own a fancy car, go out all the time so you can pay rent, so be it. But rent should not mean you can't eat, afford a cheap car, and go to the movies once or twice a month. And, no home ownership is not a guarantee.
I don't expect affordable housing in Beverly Hills, Holmby Hills, Pacific Palisades, Malibu, etc. By all means, build all the luxury housing you want in those areas. But "gentrifying" just to push up rents is plain wrong.
You are right that the government should not be involved in every aspect of our lives. That requires that we act as responsible citizens of a society and show some small compassion for our fellow human beings.
I do get that the economy has changed for a number of reasons. People used to be able to get by on one household salary at one time too...even in L.A. Housing was a fraction of the cost.
You mentioned that these minimum wage jobs constitute a large part of the economy right now, that is one very good reason not to make things more difficult for small businesses that operate the type of businesses run by minimum wage or low wage workers.
If a lot of these businesses close up, where will these people work?
Sure minimum wage is not ideal...but it's better to bring in something rather than nothing.
I wasn't chastising people for working minimum wage jobs ...I was just saying that they did sign up for that hourly pay. They saw the sign or job listing that said "Now Hiring $10 an hour" and they filled out the paper work,etc.
Then they say , "I know our deal was $10..but I want $15 ...NOW!"
I would say it would also be wrong for someone to be hired for $50,000k and say..."I know our deal was $50k salary...but I want $75k salary now"
I know you said you don't expect affordable housing in BH , Malibu,etc...but see that's the thing ..who should determine or control which neighborhoods get affordable housing?
Rising rents or gentrification are nothing new..it's been happening for hundreds or perhaps thousands of years across the world.
Also just wondering who are you talking about that isn't showing small compassion? In another thread I showed an actual example of the types of small business that would be affected by a $15hr wage hike. These business owners don't lack compassion, it's just that they realize the basic economics and that this law will do more harm than good.
McDonald's for example is a huge target of these protesters..their argument is that "McDonald's makes billions...they can afford to pay us $15 hr!" ...but it seems they are ignorant to the fact that many McD's are owned by individual franchisees. So many McD's are basically small businesses. "
Ummm, just educated you on this in another couple of threads last week. Short memory?
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QUICK ANSWER An average McDonald's franchise makes between $500,000 and $1 million in profits per year as of 2013, according to McDonald's Franchise Disclosure Document. For restaurants open at least 1 year in the United States, average total revenues are $2.6 million.
Oh, and the average McDonald's franchise owner owns five franchises.
Small business. Right.
Can't afford to give workers a living wage to keep them off welfare that you and I and all taxpayers pay for - thus subsidizing those poor starving multi-millionaire McDonald's franchise owners.
"Americans." You are in the "Us-vs-Them" mindset. You could become "them" at any moment. The fine citizens of Maine could ask themselves, "Why should we support ChristinePlovesME anymore? She's a drag on the budget now that she's run out of money for her cancer treatment."
I guess I die.....thats where everyone goes eventually.....it is US vs them..........just what are you arguing anyway....that we SHOULD allow the 3rd world to destroy this country....I am NOT talking about US citizens.
Please visit the threads regarding the homeless of Los Angeles.....maybe you would be willing to help them out....and guess what ...if I had to live like that...I would rather be dead
Now shut up.
You must be .....??
Ummm, just educated you on this in another couple of threads last week. Short memory?
Oh, and the average McDonald's franchise owner owns five franchises.
Small business. Right.
Can't afford to give workers a living wage to keep them off welfare that you and I and all taxpayers pay for - thus subsidizing those poor starving multi-millionaire McDonald's franchise owners.
You must be an illegal....or something similar...........maybe "they" should stop breeding....and there would be no need for welfare..............
I dont think the OP was referring to Mickey D's when he talked about small business owners...lol
McDonalds is where the Wallmart workers go for fine cuisine....while making $15/hr. OH gee I forgot, there now is McDonalds in wallmart....
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