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Old 05-06-2016, 09:22 PM
 
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Why is there both a University of California, and a California State University system?

Is it a tier system based on level of academic competency with UC system being the smartest kids, and CalState being less academically inclined?

Now there are other states with this setup, but they have much less campuses. The UC system, and Cal State have a lot of campuses, and probably cost a lot of money.
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Old 05-06-2016, 10:04 PM
 
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The University of California was set up as research institutions back in the day. Always the top tier. The CSU were set up as "Normal Schools" to educated teachers and expanded into other disciplines over time. So yeah, the UCs tend to be more selective and have higher academic standards as a result. Its just the way the two systems developed.
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Old 05-06-2016, 10:57 PM
 
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From my perspective (I graduated from UCDavis in 2002, so it's been a while), the UC system is more about theory, critical thinking, and big picture, while the CSU system is more about practical skills. I learned that the hard way when I wanted to change from Computer Science to Accounting in my junior year. UCDavis doesn't offer an accounting degree because that's too "practical" for a UC. I would have had to transfer to Sac State in order to get an accounting degree. Instead, I got a super useful (ha!) economics degree.

My mom had a similar experience with UCBerkeley in the 60s. She heard about this new "computer" fad and wanted to study them. The advisors told her that the UC system didn't teach such "practical" skills and that she should seek out a vocational school if she wanted to study computers. She ended up dropping out and getting trained by Alameda County on punch cards (ah, the good old days) and went on to have a long career as a computer programmer. And then Berkeley came around and embraced computers eventually.
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Old 05-06-2016, 11:36 PM
 
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But it seems nowadays, both systems have the exact same majors, and I guess the only thing separating them is academic achievements in high school right.

But I am thinking that, once you get to a certain level, there should not be a second place, or a developmental league (for lack of better term) especially a public avenue for this. If you are not good enough by now, then why not move on to other things. Or if you want to continue, you should have to the private route for remedial, and developmental assistance to get to that higher level.
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Old 05-06-2016, 11:46 PM
 
Location: Anaheim
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Why is there both a University of California, and a California State University system?

Is it a tier system based on level of academic competency with UC system being the smartest kids, and CalState being less academically inclined?

Now there are other states with this setup, but they have much less campuses. The UC system, and Cal State have a lot of campuses, and probably cost a lot of money.
Really? "Univ of Cali"? "Cali State Univ"?

Brazen does describe you well.

I'm sure if I found some cutesy name for Rutgers as I was chilling in Newark, the locals would probably try to whoop my *****.
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Old 05-06-2016, 11:50 PM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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Really? "Univ of Cali"? "Cali State Univ"?
I was never aware that Columbia has two University systems. Gotta love the internet!
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Old 05-07-2016, 12:53 AM
 
Location: Anaheim
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I was never aware that Columbia has two University systems. Gotta love the internet!
Thanks, but it's "Colombia".
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Old 05-07-2016, 12:55 AM
 
Location: State of Transition
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I was never aware that Columbia has two University systems. Gotta love the internet!
Columbia doesn't. Colombia does, though.
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Old 05-07-2016, 01:00 AM
 
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Why is there both a University of California, and a California State University system?

Is it a tier system based on level of academic competency with UC system being the smartest kids, and CalState being less academically inclined?

Now there are other states with this setup, but they have much less campuses. The UC system, and Cal State have a lot of campuses, and probably cost a lot of money.
What does Nu Jer have set up?

I don't know what Cali has set up. That's a city in a country in South America.
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Old 05-07-2016, 05:50 AM
 
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But it seems nowadays, both systems have the exact same majors, and I guess the only thing separating them is academic achievements in high school right.

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This is absolutely not true. Both systems do not have the "exact same majors." If you want to major in nursing, education, marketing, TV broadcasting, operations management, sports management, hospitality management, or a host of other majors, you won't find those majors at a UC.

It all boils down to the missions that the two systems were given by the state legislature. The UCs were granted the mission of providing doctoral education, including professional degrees in medicine, dentistry, law, vet science. They do offer undergraduate programs, obviously, but that is not their primary mission as designated by the master plan.

The Cal States were given the mission of providing undergraduate education (and some masters programs). They can only offer stand-alone doctorates in some very limited areas (education is one). Beyond those fields, if they want to offer a doctorate, they have to do so as a joint program with a UC (a few have joint programs with Claremont graduate school). Since their primary mission is undergraduate education, the Cal State system, as a whole, offers more different types of undergraduate majors than the UC system does. (That's not to say there isn't some overlap, but it is primarily in liberal arts oriented majors and engineering).

Oh, and there's another important difference. A Cal States costs about half of a UC to attend.

So plenty of reasons why a bright, talented student might opt for a Cal State over a UC. I don't think it is fair to say one system is "lesser" -- they just have different missions. But students can get a great education in either system, depending on their academic interests and career goals.

That said, obviously there are campuses in both systems that have stronger programs in certain areas or stronger reputations. And some of the campuses in both systems are more competitive for admission than others. Did you know that for several years in a row, a Cal State has received more undergraduate applications than any other school in the U.S.?

In terms of your question about why California has so many public colleges (especially when you take our third educational system, Community Colleges into account), the answer is simple. Look at a map. See how big our state is compared to New Jersey? We also have more people. So, we need more colleges in more places to serve our population.

We're very lucky, though, to have such a large number of excellent public higher education options here. In fact, we have more than any other state. It's part of what makes California such a great place.

By the way, as I recall, your system in NJ isn't all that different, although much smaller of course. You have your university tasked with providing doctoral degrees (and medical too), Rutgers. Then you have campuses that are mainly tasked with providing undergraduate and masters degrees (i.e., the college of NJ, Rowan, etc.) They all offer some similar majors at the undergraduate level too. Other states (Texas for instance) have similar systems too. It's just that California tends to do every thing on a larger scale because we are so much larger than most.

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