Californians Packing up and leaving.... (Laguna, Laguna Beach: wage, taxation, cost)

[jm1982]

Originally Posted by Ralph78

The National Review article has stated California's problems accurately. There was a time when California was wonderful place to live, bring up children, and enjoy a vibrant enjoyable lifestyle. That California is lost, and will probably never return. I am sad to see and experience the way the state has "Devolved" over the past 30 years.

Unlike you, upon retirement I'm not staying in California. I am a native, and my wife has lived in CA most of her life, but the ignorant stupidity of both California politics and social agenda is driving us out.

We are selling my business and retiring at the end of the year, and yes we can well afford to stay and move to one of the nicer areas along the coast, but we choose to save a very substantial amount of money by leaving the state for an area with a MUCH lower cost of living, a very much lower crime rate, and a LOT more personal freedom. We have children and grandchildren here, so will return often to visit, but we are really looking forward to our "Escape", so we can go to the next stage of our life, which will be a very active retirement.

Good luck on sale of business . What area do you plan to move to ?
By a lot more personal freedom , what do you mean by that?

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by J.Thomas

Who knows right?

Estimations vary from 10M to 30M.

I actually think like 20M-25M makes sense.

Lots of people to kick out.

Actually, sane, well-educated professionals who base their estimates on solid factual, data-driven, statistical analysis standards don't vary their numbers "from 10m - 30m". You could look these things up in academic resources. But you won't, of course.

But yes, there certainly ARE "lots of people to kick out". And we would be well off to start with the ignorant among us - citizens or not.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by Burkmere

Saving 10k in state income tax and renting a way nice apt for $750 a month as opposed to 2400 a month...(comparable apt, but nicer)...actually probably more than 30k because everything else is cheaper also...

It's more than $30,000 for some.

I moved 70+ employees out of California for a cool 7 digits savings just based on employment related regulatory cost alone.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Pretty sure Sleepy is as happy as I am when anybody leaves California and eases the congestion.

And, no one is nasty enough to wish living in Fresno on another human being.

See at least this guy is honest. He actually wants jobs, and people to leave the state.

Too bad though Tulemutt, California actually experienced net population growth based on... immigrant births. California is going to get more and more crowded, that's just a fact of nature right now.

But at least the jobs are leaving, so you have half of your wish coming true.

[J.Thomas]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Actually, sane, well-educated professionals who base their estimates on solid factual, data-driven, statistical analysis standards don't vary their numbers "from 10m - 30m". You could look these things up in academic resources. But you won't, of course.

But yes, there certainly ARE "lots of people to kick out". And we would be well off to start with the ignorant among us - citizens or not.

Remember academics are also the ones let that happen.

I don't have any trust

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Ralph78

The National Review article has stated California's problems accurately.There was a time when California was wonderful place to live, bring up children, and enjoy a vibrant enjoyable lifestyle.

Of course the National Review will follow up on that with their recipe for making California great again, just elect a Republican Governor and the state will flourish once again

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by J.Thomas

Remember academics are also the ones let that happen.

I don't have any trust

Explain how academics "let it happen". And while you're at it: let "what" happen? What is the "that" you are referring to?

Further, how does whatever academics "let happen", in your mind, correlate to your hyperbolic estimates of California's - or the nation's, even - population of illegals? Your claim is unsubstantiated by any factual measure. Of course AM Talk-Radio is on your side.


"Trust" isn't the only thing you are lacking.

[jw2]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

See at least this guy is honest. He actually wants jobs, and people to leave the state.

Too bad though Tulemutt, California actually experienced net population growth based on... immigrant births. California is going to get more and more crowded, that's just a fact of nature right now.

But at least the jobs are leaving, so you have half of your wish coming true.

I am sure jobs are leaving but the number of jobs keeps increasing...


There was a dip in 2009 which made fodder for tons of articles about how jobs are leaving California. Of course, people still cite these same articles and new articles based on that same data. But California has moved on since then
All the data is here Bureau of Labor Statistics Data

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

... California actually experienced net population growth based on... immigrant births.

Is this a problem for you? 80% or more of California's Hispanics are citizens / or legal immigrants. They have babies. And their babies are United States citizens. Do you have a problem with citizens having babies in general or only if they are racially Hispanic?

Btw, all birthrates in cultures advancing in education and economic security are falling. Hispanic birthrates here - and in Latin countries as well - once much higher than white, non-Hispanic rates, are dropping at a rate faster than white, non-Hispanic birthrates. Soon projected to equalize. So you can breathe a sigh of relief.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Is this a problem for you? 80% or more of California's Hispanics are citizens / or legal immigrants. They have babies. And their babies are United States citizens. Do you have a problem with citizens having babies in general or only if they are racially Hispanic?

Did I say I had a problem with immigrants (legal or not)?

I'm simply pointing out if your desire is for California to be less congested and crowded via the population decreasing, then you probably should wish for a meteor, or mega tsunami. Otherwise, it's projected by 2050 that California's population will hit 60 million.

That does seem like it would make things a bit more crowded, doesn't it.