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Old 07-20-2016, 09:04 PM
 
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Tis one more category no one has mentioned - Kids going to college.

A great many young person from CA said "I shall go to the Ol' Miss, or to the UT in Austin, so that once I graduate I can get a job immediately and build a life"

The folks who stayed in CA said "Well the UC system is good, and I will live at home with mom and dad after school and hope for something to, maybe, perhaps come along".. It is so bad in CA the wealthy parents just buy their kids a home knowing there is no chance ever of the offspring making their own way in life.
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Old 07-20-2016, 10:45 PM
 
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^^^ How does this explain those that do make it work... kids attending local schools and buying homes?

I have mentioned many times about the high school sweethearts, the first in both families to attend college buying their first Bay Area home in their mid 20's... she is a registered Nurse working for Highland and he is a Berkeley Police Officer... about 220k the first full year household income when all is said and done.
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Old 07-20-2016, 11:00 PM
 
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^^^ How does this explain those that do make it work... kids attending local schools and buying homes?

I have mentioned many times about the high school sweethearts, the first in both families to attend college buying their first Bay Area home in their mid 20's... she is a registered Nurse working for Highland and he is a Berkeley Police Officer... about 220k the first full year household income when all is said and done.
That's your story. I can name many, many who reside on the coast, or in SF/LA/SD/OC that gave large sums to their kids to keep them from having to move to *Texas* because as is plain knowledge people in their 20's don't buy 800k houses.

CA is busting, and while you may not want to see it, this site and all the CA license plates showing up in towns across the nation attest to the bust. It's more of a long term bust, than an overnight I suppose. But it's real and palpable.
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Old 07-21-2016, 12:01 AM
 
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^^^ Who buys a 800k starter house in California? No one I know and I live in Oakland California... the heart of the SF Bay Area... median price is just that... in the middle.

Even here in the SF East Bay there are plenty of homes for half that...

Go outside the major metro or coast areas homes are much less.... plenty of homes in the 300 to 400k range in Lake Tahoe... half that for Shasta.

I do look for California plates when traveling... saw very few the last 10 days in Washington State... only a handful and that included shopping at Home Depot and Costco.
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Old 07-21-2016, 01:45 AM
 
Location: Studio City, CA 91604
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I know it's very anecdotal, but I'm always seeing out-of-state plates when I take the I-5 and State Route 14 drive out to Santa Clarita, or Palmdale where my brother lives. Usually Florida, Texas, Ohio, Illinois and Nevada. And no, these don't seem to be people "visiting", they are people who have moved to the Greater L.A. area but have yet to change their plates.

I am constantly shocked at the growth and seemingly-endless development going on right now out in Santa Clarita and Palmdale when I drive out that way for visits. It's astounding.
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Old 07-21-2016, 06:26 AM
 
Location: Sierra Nevada Land, CA
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I know it's very anecdotal, but I'm always seeing out-of-state plates when I take the I-5 and State Route 14 drive out to Santa Clarita, or Palmdale where my brother lives. Usually Florida, Texas, Ohio, Illinois and Nevada. And no, these don't seem to be people "visiting", they are people who have moved to the Greater L.A. area but have yet to change their plates.

I am constantly shocked at the growth and seemingly-endless development going on right now out in Santa Clarita and Palmdale when I drive out that way for visits. It's astounding.
If "everyone" was moving out of CA why is there so much development?
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Old 07-21-2016, 06:51 AM
 
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What about:

5) Those who want more value for their dollar.

I think more fit into that category than all of the others combined.

Of the people who I have known to leave, ALL of them fit into that category.

Most were newly married and wanted to start a family.
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^
This

I also find it amusing when a post starts with a straw man argument..."People are not leaving CA due to taxes and regulation" (who said they were other than opinion pieces?) and then uses some study as an end all be all. I typically have read articles that have claimed businesses have done that. Most things that I've seen regarding individuals and families relate to better value and cost of living (and those are mostly related to specific cities in CA, such as San Francisco). I also think it has a lot to do with your definition on "tax". To me, if I have to pay more for a parking meter, pay for a bag at a store, pay for the staff's medical expenses at a restaurant, pay a higher fee for food at that restaurant due to a regulation, pay for mandatory gorse removal on the hillside where I live, pay to have a street jack hammered if there are plumbing problems on city property, etc., etc., I look at that as a tax. The only difference being (on some of them...not all), I'm not forced to pay it (but I am forced to modify the way I do things).

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Old 07-21-2016, 10:14 AM
 
Location: SW MO
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I do look for California plates when traveling... saw very few the last 10 days in Washington State... only a handful and that included shopping at Home Depot and Costco.
We live near a major tourist destination and see license plates from, all over the country during "The Season" which is in full swing right now. Very few of them are from California. Granted, there are a number of Californians who have settled here in retirement but they're not pervasive by any means. As a side note, most swap out their California license plates as soon as they can!
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Old 07-21-2016, 10:45 AM
 
Location: On the water.
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CA is busting, and while you may not want to see it, this site and all the CA license plates showing up in towns across the nation attest to the bust. It's more of a long term bust, than an overnight I suppose. But it's real and palpable.
Speaking of anecdotal. Hmmm.

The problem with your declaration [of a "bust"] is actual statistics don't support that. At all. Even remotely. Just the opposite. In fact, that reality of statistical proof is what this thread is founded solidly on. Lower income folks being replaced by higher income folks isn't a bust ... well, except for the lower income people. But not for the state. It may be unpleasant for some (including me), but truth is truth, like it or not.
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Old 07-21-2016, 11:24 AM
 
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This thread is funny.

"People aren't leaving because of taxes and regulation!"

"They're leaving because they can't afford to live here!"


You can't make this up.
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