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Old 07-25-2016, 08:33 AM
 
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How about we use some logic? California as with all the border states have tons of illegals coming in. They are poor and don't have any work skills. Wouldn't you be able to assume that these areas with lots of illegals will have high poverty rates, IN GENERAL?
That's true. Since I brought up Mississippi, it's only fair to say that their poverty is the result of blacks, and the long history our country has had. It's an enlightening experience to go down to the delta or, really, by the river. It's not so much that people don't have opportunities, but that they grew up lacking education and basis needs. Today, that is much less likely to happen.

CA on the other hand seems to truly be about lack of opportunities. Why? Because what people do is move. If they could not read and write, they would not be moving. So in that aspect it's not illegals, rather it's people that simply believe there is a better future elsewhere. The illegals are more in the position of the black folks in MS and therefore will likely stay in the areas where they land. That may be why Jerry wants to offer health care and other crap to them. He wants to avoid a permanent underclass. However while he may be doing good there, many of his educated folks are voting with their feet.

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Old 07-25-2016, 09:38 AM
 
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Since so many of the people chiming in are not familiar with the state, the parts that are poor in the central state are not at all desert. Fresno for example, is taking one hell of an economic hit.
Bay Area plus Coastal Southern California population is 30 million. The entire rest of the state is 8 million.
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Old 07-25-2016, 11:53 AM
 
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He wants to avoid a permanent underclass.
I think he might quite like that actually.

How else would his party get voters otherwise?
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Old 07-25-2016, 12:43 PM
 
Location: Paranoid State
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Fact: California has by far the highest poverty rate in the entire country. At the present time the poverty rate adjusted for the cost of living, which gives the true picture of poverty in the nation is near 24%, and twice the Mississippi poverty rate when adjusted for cost of living.

This article will give you a true picture of the poverty rate for California and the next close ones.

California: "Land of Poverty" | Newgeography.com

And California is no where near one of the best states in the nation income wise, when average salary is adjusted for cost of living.

Salary by State: Where Can You Really Earn the Most?

And note you can adjust the chart for a certain job type. Example a cashier job. California average pay is 6th highest in nation. But adjusting for the cost of living, and the real purchasing value drops to 43rd place. Mississippi on the other hand, pays 4th highest in the nation. Electrical and Electronic Engineering Technicians California is 15th highest paying but when adjusted for cost of living it is down to 41st place. Mississippi comes in at 20th place, which is far above California.

This is what is so hard for so many people in California to understand, California is a lot poorer than a lot of people even dream in a nightmare that it is possible. It is in essence the the poorest state in the union for percentage of residents living in poverty. Incomes sound high, but when the incomes are adjusted for cost of living, the incomes are not so hot.
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And yet Hillary wants to raise taxes on "rich Californians" to pay for social programs targeted at swing-voters in swing-states.
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Old 07-25-2016, 01:22 PM
 
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... California as with all the border states have tons of illegals coming in.
Wait. California has illegals???
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Old 07-25-2016, 01:52 PM
 
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Since so many of the people chiming in are not familiar with the state, the parts that are poor in the central state are not at all desert. Fresno for example, is taking one hell of an economic hit.
Bay Area plus Coastal Southern California population is 30 million. The entire rest of the state is 8 million.
Again the real poor, are in San Francisco and the Southern Coast, with the highest poverty rates in the state.

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And yet Hillary wants to raise taxes on "rich Californians" to pay for social programs targeted at swing-voters in swing-states.
When she wants to pay for social programs, California will get about 1/3rd of it, as California gets that amount of all federal poverty money due to being the most poverty overran state in the nation. This chart tells us, how dependent the state is for federal poverty funds.
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Old 07-25-2016, 02:00 PM
 
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Yup all the border states do tend to have higher poverty levels than those further north....It's really sad though that low income people would choose places like Southern CA to live in despite the outrageous cost of living...There was an article about an immigrant family that lives in Santa Ana(Orange County) in a small apartment and sharing it with 2-3 families just to be able to afford the rent

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How about we use some logic? Califonia as with all the border states have tons of illegals coming in. They are poor and don't have any work skills. Wouldn't you be able to assume that these areas with lots of illegals will have high poverty rates, IN GENERAL?
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Old 07-25-2016, 02:11 PM
 
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California has poverty just like every other state...I live in the Central Valley and yes there are pockets of poverty,but most people in my opinion here seem to be fine with their standard of living,simply because the Central Valley is the most affordable region in the state,and no the Central Valley is not a hell hole,there are many nice communities throughout The Central Valley.

Here's something interesting to think about....Japan is a wealthy nation,but you don't see the amount of poverty or even crime there that you'll find here in The U.S and yet The U.S is the wealthiest nation in the world
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Old 07-25-2016, 02:44 PM
 
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You are going to find pockets or neighborhoods of poverty in just about every large city. What you will see in San Francisco Bay Area is signs of a lot of wealth. There are a lot of people money in this area. SF alone has approx. 2 dozen billionaires.
Downtown SF is on it's way to being a smaller version of Manhattan. There has been a exodus of lower income households from the inner core of the Bay Area, out to cities like Antioch. I just wonder if the poster here from the zip code in MT, who has posted the charts and graphs on where the poverty areas supposedly are located, is also trying to make a political statement....


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Old 07-25-2016, 02:46 PM
 
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You are going to find pockets or neighborhoods of poverty in just about every large city. What you will see in San Francisco Bay Area is signs of a lot of wealth. There are a lot of people money in this area. SF alone has approx. 2 dozen billionaires.
Downtown SF is on it's way to being a smaller version of Manhattan. There has been a exodus of lower income households from the inner core of the Bay Area, out to cities like Antioch. I just wonder if the poster here from the zip code in MT, who has posted the charts and graphs on where the poverty areas supposedly are located, is also trying to make a political statement....


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I'm sure that has nothing to do with it! It's because he's so concerned about the poor Californians being taken advantage of.
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