CALEXIT: Would you support a secession? (Los Angeles, Fresno: lenders, stats, airport)

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by David A Stone

California needs the US a lot more than the US needs California.

You should back that up because we feed the nation more than we get back.

[David A Stone]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

You should back that up because we feed the nation more than we get back.

So ?


and you think that difference will be enough to finance California as an independent country?


The US could survive w/o California
California could not survive w/o the US.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by David A Stone

So ?


and you think that difference will be enough to finance California as an independent country?

Well, yes, David, I do. Considering that we have revenue generation greater than what supports all but six other nations in the world - very many of which have even larger populations.

[TheseGoTo11]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Btw: California manufacturing has declined. Yep. And yet, it still, by far and away, accounts for more manufacturing than any other state.

Does supporting a Russian-backed movement mean you get to make up fake stats? Where on earth are you getting this from? California has 12% of the US population, but just 10.3% of its manufacturing jobs.

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES3000000001

https://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.ca.htm

[TheseGoTo11]

Originally Posted by David A Stone

The US could survive w/o California
California could not survive w/o the US.

True.

And 13 other states get less back per Federal $ than we do. But they don't run off like crybabies supporting a Russian-backed secession movement.

But please forgive us in the future if Silicon Valley tanks and we become the next Mississippi.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by TheseGoTo11

So either you post fake facts, or describe true ones as "irrelevant".

California would lose a lot of the port traffic at LA/Long Beach handling US imports. Kind of like the ports of Charleston, Savannah, and New Orleans, which were among the largest before the Civil War, took a beating for 80 years afterwards.

The US would still want access to those ports so a deal between the two could be worked out. Just because CA would be a separate country doesn't mean it and the US cannot have free and open trade agreements. Just because passports are required to enter other countries doesn't mean the US and CA would have to go that route. The deal go go something like, unimpeded access to the ports for water rights from the Colorado River. No tariffs on US imports if none on CA exports. The two could function in many ways largely the same, the differences being that the US no longer provides military difference, CA no longer pays the US government, has it's own diplomatic and trade relationships and is bound by it's own, rather than the US constitution. Independent but cooperative.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by David A Stone

So ?


and you think that difference will be enough to finance California as an independent country?


The US could survive w/o California
California could not survive w/o the US.

CA accounts for 13% of US GDP, more than any other states so yes we do.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

The US would still want access to those ports so a deal between the two could be worked out. Just because CA would be a separate country doesn't mean it and the US cannot have free and open trade agreements. Just because passports are required to enter other countries doesn't mean the US and CA would have to go that route. The deal go go something like, unimpeded access to the ports for water rights from the Colorado River. No tariffs on US imports if none on CA exports. The two could function in many ways largely the same, the differences being that the US no longer provides military difference, CA no longer pays the US government, has it's own diplomatic and trade relationships and is bound by it's own, rather than the US constitution. Independent but cooperative.

I propose you run for office, bub


Note that passports weren't required for travel between Mexico and the US and Canada and the US for years.

[TheGoodUsernamesWereTaken]

Originally Posted by TheseGoTo11

A Kremlin-backed group is leading the sig collection. You can try to minimize Putin's involvement all you want, but there wouldn't be a drive to collect signatures without him.

Again, yes there would be. CALEXIT didn't just sprout up out of nowhere when Trump got elected...

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by TheseGoTo11

Does supporting a Russian-backed movement mean you get to make up fake stats? Where on earth are you getting this from? California has 12% of the US population, but just 10.3% of its manufacturing jobs.

https://data.bls.gov/timeseries/CES3000000001

https://www.bls.gov/eag/eag.ca.htm

Lmao. The question is why are you even debating when you have zero grasp of research and analysis, logic, simple math, and statistics interpretation?

First off, I didn't say California had the most manufacturing jobs (although it does). I said it leads the nation in manufacturing. As in output. In output only one other state compares (Texas, which runs a close second). In fact, only one other besides Texas even comes close to half our output (Illinois).

But let's set that aside and go back to your baffling math on the employment stat. As California accounts for 10.3% of all the nation's manufacturing jobs, that means approximately 90% or the jobs are held by the other states, right? Nothing in this information of yours, or my little arithmetic, shows where that other 90% exists. For example, if it was equally divided by the remaining 49 states you'd have an average of less than 2% manufacturing by each state while California would have 5x that alone.

Of course we know manufacturing is unevenly apportioned around the country so some mfg centers have far more than 2%. But, you didn't identify which places might have more than California. Here, allow me to give you the stats on the leaders:

No.1 California - California employed 1.2 million at 38,741 companies.
No. 2 Texas -Texas employed 767,024 in 19,782 companies.
No.3 Ohio - Ohio employed 627,124 at 14,482 companies.
No. 4 Pennsylvania - Pennsylvania employed 543,642 at 13,988 companies.
No.5 Illinois - Illinois employed 542, 004 at 13,868 companies.
No.6 Michigan - Michigan employed 514,058 at 12, 444 companies.
No.7 Indiana - Indiana employed 452, 513 at 8,141 companies.
No.8 Wisconsin - Wisconsin employed 436,777 at 8,995 companies.
No. 9 New York - New York employed 426,621 at 16, 475 companies.
No.10 North Carolina - North Carolina employs 403,593 at 7,997 companies.

Now then, a stat you may have been confused by having heard somewhere is that California's manufacturing jobs as a percent of population is lower than some other states. And that is true. But that's not what was stated.