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View Poll Results: Would you support a secession?
Absolutely. 88 40.37%
I would vote against it, but would stay in California regardless of the outcome. 46 21.10%
I would vote against it, and leave if California seceded. 84 38.53%
Voters: 218. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 02-23-2017, 09:25 PM
 
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At this point I'm not really sure, I'd rather wait and see what direction the US heads to in the months/years to come before taking such a huge step
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This is a sensible approach.
What makes it sensible without any explanation of whats being evaluated over time? Nothing stated about criteria for consideration. Really a rather empty statement.

 
Old 02-24-2017, 05:56 AM
 
Location: Northern California
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I wish they'd cut California in half. Southern California has all the votes and good roads. Northern California has no voice. Northern California should be selling water to Southern California and not giving it away.
 
Old 02-24-2017, 06:27 AM
 
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What makes it sensible without any explanation of whats being evaluated over time? Nothing stated about criteria for consideration. Really a rather empty statement.
There is no real discussion of the criteria being discussed in any real detail. Plus CA is having significant problems with the Budget, Taxes and fees, pensions, hwy's and more. Get that fixed first, showing the legislature and Governor are really capable of handling a new Country rather than just wanting one. Evidence of capability which is sadly lacking.
 
Old 02-24-2017, 06:29 AM
 
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I wish they'd cut California in half. Southern California has all the votes and good roads. Northern California has no voice. Northern California should be selling water to Southern California and not giving it away.
Humm,

If a New Country was formed and because of the vote ratio the Southern part controlled virtually everything, would you want the new Country to be formed?
 
Old 02-24-2017, 08:31 AM
 
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There is no real discussion of the criteria being discussed in any real detail..
all the more the question: wait and see what?
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Plus CA is having significant problems with the Budget, Taxes and fees, pensions, hwy's and more. Get that fixed first, showing the legislature and Governor are really capable of handling a new Country rather than just wanting one. Evidence of capability which is sadly lacking.
Get everything fixed first? What would be the need for a new country then? What places can you use as examples of everything being fixed? Where is that place? Where does it exist?

Current legislature and governor? Why do you suggest they would be the new leadership?
 
Old 02-24-2017, 09:45 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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There is no real discussion of the criteria being discussed in any real detail. Plus CA is having significant problems with the Budget, Taxes and fees, pensions, hwy's and more. Get that fixed first, showing the legislature and Governor are really capable of handling a new Country rather than just wanting one. Evidence of capability which is sadly lacking.
Little if anything about this post is accurate. Haven't I said this to you before? LOL

CA has been running a budget surplus for a few years now. "First showing the legislature and Governor are really capable of handling a new Country rather than just wanting one." Two problems with this statement. The first is, you're talking like you're telling a kid to finish their vegetables before they can have dessert. Political entities don't work that way. Perhaps you thinking of it that way is one reason why you're not quite understanding what you're being told. Also, the Governor and Legislator have said nothing about wanting secession. The current movement, the one everyone knows about anyway is being pushed by a small group whom are currently collecting signatures.
 
Old 02-24-2017, 09:55 AM
 
Location: San Diego, California Republic
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Humm,

If a New Country was formed and because of the vote ratio the Southern part controlled virtually everything, would you want the new Country to be formed?
That statement, which I know wasn't yours isn't entirely accurate either. Most politicians on the national and state level in recent years have come from or have had some significant connection to the Bay Area. Nancy Pelosi and Kamala Harris on the national level and the Governor and Lieutenant Governor at the state level. Not to mention, the capital would most likely remain in Northern CA (Sacramento) and the judicial branch would quite likely also be in Northern California.
 
Old 02-24-2017, 12:51 PM
 
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Little if anything about this post is accurate. Haven't I said this to you before? LOL

CA has been running a budget surplus for a few years now. "First showing the legislature and Governor are really capable of handling a new Country rather than just wanting one." Two problems with this statement. The first is, you're talking like you're telling a kid to finish their vegetables before they can have dessert. Political entities don't work that way. Perhaps you thinking of it that way is one reason why you're not quite understanding what you're being told. Also, the Governor and Legislator have said nothing about wanting secession. The current movement, the one everyone knows about anyway is being pushed by a small group whom are currently collecting signatures.
The budget is claimed to be balanced and then .. we hear of a deficit. They leave out a lot.

But OK, lets assume not a single one of the current Gov't membership would be automatically in place. Who would be? How would they be elected and what makes you think the same people would not get elected? What would change that? Just because a small group of different people is pushing it does not mean the same "popular" politicians would not be elected and then ... it does not get better. Who would run with any chance of winning against the established politicians?

The "theory" is nice, but the practical application needs to be publicly demonstrated,/revealed. Otherwise you have .. no Gov't at all. I am looking for real explanations about how it would work AND be any better, not worse.

What is the "real" reason for leaving the US?
 
Old 02-24-2017, 03:09 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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What is the "real" reason for leaving the US?
Because it has become a total cluster#&@$! ??
 
Old 02-24-2017, 04:35 PM
 
Location: Marin County, CA
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There is no real discussion of the criteria being discussed in any real detail. Plus CA is having significant problems with the Budget, Taxes and fees, pensions, hwy's and more. Get that fixed first, showing the legislature and Governor are really capable of handling a new Country rather than just wanting one. Evidence of capability which is sadly lacking.
The whole point of a secession, or one of the points rather, is to address outstanding issues in the state.

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