Do You Support Calexit Knowing that It's Sponsored by Russia? (Tehama: rated, dating)

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by Gentoo

Here's something that always intrigues me. Do you honestly think the country is going to last forever and never change? That the current union will be around for all eternity? If your answer is no then what is it about your lifetime that makes it so special that the country can't pull apart during your lifetime?

Now if it were to occur I believe it would be best for the people of CA if it split into three Countries.

1. The West Coast from about Monterrey to North of the SF bay area and just past the end of the Eastern SF area. That would be say "West" CA. This would be smaller, but populated.

2. then the balance around, above and below and everything East to Nevada down to the foot of the mountains below Lancaster/Palmdale and a line due East to the Nevada boarder drawn there and that would be "California" . This would be the West Coast above the SF area, the Sacramento area, the Central part of the State, down to the line drawn East to NV. This would be the biggest area, but more rural as it were.

3. and then everything South of that would be "SoCal". This would be a mix of areas though the coast would be the heaviest populated.

Now what name each Country would want is up to them.

This would give the West a definite Liberal Country with minimal opposition. The Main area "California" would be fairly balanced politically and good for that area and SoCal, due to LA would lean a bit more Left but still not a one party Country.

Now that would be interesting and create three Countries with at least two fairly balanced politically giving everyone some part in the decisions made.

[StanleysOwl]

Originally Posted by expatCA

I do not expect the Country to pull apart in my life time. I do expect to see more struggles between the political parties and the Country being even more divided, but the damage a pulling apart of the Country would cause, would be very bad and no one would want to see that. The idea it would be best for everyone is not a very viable position as both CA and the USA need each other.

Perfect example of what so intrigues me about your posts. Such an odd sequence of obvious contradictions. Of course lots of people want to see the country pulled apart. Even besides the millions of Californians

About 32 percent of Californians want to create their own country, a new Reuters/Ipsos poll found, including many Democrats who are frustrated with the election of President Trump. Pollsters surveyed 500 Californians between Dec. 6 and Jan. 19. Nationally, 22 percent of respondents favor secession, they found.
More Californians than ever want to secede from US | TheHill

... millions more in other states feel similarly. That's why this is an issue.

As to needing each other that very belief has been well demonstrated to be false in these subject threads.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by expatCA

I do not expect the Country to pull apart in my life time. .

The question is, why? What makes your (or my) lifetime so special?

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by expatCA

Now if it were to occur I believe it would be best for the people of CA if it split into three Countries.

1. The West Coast from about Monterrey to North of the SF bay area and just past the end of the Eastern SF area. That would be say "West" CA. This would be smaller, but populated.

2. then the balance around, above and below and everything East to Nevada down to the foot of the mountains below Lancaster/Palmdale and a line due East to the Nevada boarder drawn there and that would be "California" . This would be the West Coast above the SF area, the Sacramento area, the Central part of the State, down to the line drawn East to NV. This would be the biggest area, but more rural as it were.

3. and then everything South of that would be "SoCal". This would be a mix of areas though the coast would be the heaviest populated.

Now what name each Country would want is up to them.

This would give the West a definite Liberal Country with minimal opposition. The Main area "California" would be fairly balanced politically and good for that area and SoCal, due to LA would lean a bit more Left but still not a one party Country.

Now that would be interesting and create three Countries with at least two fairly balanced politically giving everyone some part in the decisions made.

That's completely counter productive and you seem smart enough to know this. What positions California well if it were to secede is the entirety of it.

Also, your split separates the main population centers into their own regions which is where the tax base and main part of the economy is. These would make poor states let alone countries. Now what is proposed by those who are really pushing secession is to give each area it's own autonomy in one form or another whether they be made states in the new nation or something else similar.

Your proposal is like the one done by the Bosnian Serbs to divide Bosnia and no one would want that sort of disaster here so NO!

[evilamai]

Funny how people who hate CA with a passion doesn't want CA to secede. Because they know deep down, their poor red states depend on CA $$$.

Oh I get it. Since CA is such an awesome state, they WISH CA would turn red so they can brag about how a Red State like CA is the #1 economy in America and the state with the best companies like Google and Apple.

LOL, if CA was a red state, there wouldn't be Apple or Google. Because Creativity is illegal and useless under the Retardicans.

That's why Red States only make money by selling Natural Resources or allowing companies to pollute and pay no taxes.

The Red State that don't have Natural Resources, just ask the Feds for $$$.

[TheseGoTo11]

Originally Posted by evilamai

LOL, if CA was a red state, there wouldn't be Apple or Google. Because Creativity is illegal and useless under the Retardicans.

Louis Marinelli, YesCalifornia leader, in addition to living in Russia, is a Trump supporter and opponent of gay marriage. The secession ballot initiative has nothing to do with open minded or creative philosophies.

[TheseGoTo11]

Originally Posted by StanleysOwl

Of course lots of people want to see the country pulled apart. Even besides the millions of Californians

Is Putin paying you to post this nonsense?

[StanleysOwl]

Originally Posted by TheseGoTo11

Is Putin paying you to post this nonsense?

you somehow confuse fact with fiction. There seems to be a lot of that going on these days. From FOX just so the righties won't accuse of being 'fake' news:

Poll reveals 1 in 3 Californians support 'Calexit' | Fox News

You might also note that you yourself have repeatedly pointed out secession movements exist in numerous other states. Therefore the statement you are calling nonsense is simply a clarification of what you have said repeatedly that, yes, lots and lots of people want to break up the union.

As pointed out many times, Putin being a total ass in every slimey way doesnt translate to Californian independence goals being ridiculous or favoring Russia.

You have been asked a question a dozen times that points this out yet you refuse to answer: if Putin likes chocolate cake, would that mean chocolate cake is bad for everyone?

[TheseGoTo11]

Originally Posted by StanleysOwl

You might also note that you yourself have repeatedly pointed out secession movements exist in numerous other states.

They're lunatic fringe movements all encouraged by Putin, who's jealous that America held together after the Cold War, while his crappy USSR got smashed into pieces. He called the breakup of the Soviet Union one of the worst things to happen in history.

[TheseGoTo11]

Originally Posted by StanleysOwl

You have been asked a question a dozen times that points this out yet you refuse to answer: if Putin likes chocolate cake, would that mean chocolate cake is bad for everyone?

haha that's because it's a stupid question, c'mon Stan

if Kim Jong Un were sponsoring YesCal instead of Putin, would that make you feel better?