California screws everyone with ridiculous housing and insane taxes (Sacramento: ski resort, sale)

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by RosieSD

Your "list" is from 2012. It's out of date and a bit misleading.

The article is from a site run by a blogger who states, "There are many people that come to this site that are curious about what I believe and about what I stand for. Well, I am a Bible-believing Christian. Unfortunately, most people do not know what Biblical Christianity is these days. For a detailed explanation of what I believe, please see my statement of faith."

He then promotes his book, The Beginning of the End.

[Kevroqs]

Originally Posted by RosieSD

I also don't have a problem with people who don't live in California sharing with us how their state has addressed things or solved problems we face --- as long as they actually tell us which state they live in so we know that they are for real, and not just trying to stir up trouble or attacking California for sport.

My family used to live in California and brought me to Nevada when I was younger. It was disappointing on so many levels. Nevada is too plain for me. But the state is well run, we have no state income tax and it doesn't cost a fortune to own property (unlike single family homes and condos in California hovers close to the million dollar mark). Oh and I don't have to worry about an earthquake that would send the entire state to the bottom of the ocean.

[oldtrader]

Originally Posted by evilamai View Posthaters gonna hate.

CA is awesome. CA also gets the most tourists visitors of any US states COMBINED.
Why do so many people want to visit and live in CA?

Successful people come to CA while failures leave CA and are BITTER for the rest of their lives.

FYI: Being a hateful / bitter old man is bad for your health.

This is one big problem, that there are so many people in California wearing rose colored glasses, that cannot see the forest for the trees. They think things about the state that are not true, and spout them as gospel.

The above quoted post is a good example. Claiming California gets more visitors than all other states. This figure is only true due to the huge population far outshining other states. However it should be pointed out that the majority of tourists and tourist money are Californians traveling around the state not from out of state visitors. Secondly the # 2 and #3 states combined together have way more tourists visits and tourist dollars spent than California has. California has only a small portion of the total visitors and tourist dollars, especially from out of state visitors.

10 States Cashing In On Tourism | Investopedia

California is the destination for visitors from other states, for far less number of other states than some of the other states as the major destination from that state.

The Most Popular US States For Tourism - Business Insider

There are a lot of Californians that think California is something it is not. The quote above, is just such a false statement as so many others are. California has the biggest trees, so a lot of people from the state cannot see what is really happening, as remember they cannot see the forest due to the trees getting in their way.

[victorhernandez]

Originally Posted by radiolibre99

But I'm not talking about those posts. I'm talking about the issues brought up.

What issues? The only "issues" that have been brought up on this thread were high cost of living and the usual whining about California being so liberal, or should I say "communist"?

To those (that have been the only "issues" talked about so far) what I have to say is what I have already said: most Californians love the progressiveness of our state and want it exactly that way so it's not changing any soon (only takes looking up our latest voting patterns to confirm it) and regarding cost of living, well, again as I've said you get what you pay for, living in the most successful state in the country comes at a price. If you want cheap try Missouri.

[radiolibre99]

Originally Posted by victorhernandez

What issues? The only "issues" that have been brought up on this thread were high cost of living and the usual whining about California being so liberal, or should I say "communist"?

To those (that have been the only "issues" talked about so far) what I have to say is what I have already said: most Californians love the progressiveness of our state and want it exactly that way so it's not changing any soon (only takes looking up our latest voting patterns to confirm it) and regarding cost of living, well, again as I've said you get what you pay for, living in the most successful state in the country comes at a price. If you want cheap try Missouri.

I don't think you're quite getting this so let me break down the nuance for you so you can get it. I understand you attach your self worth to the state so apparently the second it's rep is questioned it tends to hurt your ego, so I will be as polite as possible to avoid any triggering.

Yes, you get what you pay for. I've never argued for CA to be as cheap as Missouri and nor should it be. It should always remain expensive as it is the best the country has to offer. The point is there are some issues that you may have missed that have been brought up regarding how much is too much. Do Californians have to accept every single thing the state dishes out because it's worth it? Many of the issues CA does face is due to red tape, NIMBYs, artificial restriction of supply, lack of space, outdated zoning plans, overzealous land use regulations, foreigners looking for lucrative investments and buying property cash, pricing locals out, wages not meeting COL. I mean these are some legitimate grievances Californians, both on the left and right have brought up.

I understand if you might disagree or what not but I don't get why there cannot be rational debate about it. Why is plugging up your ears and shouting get out you loser, go to AZ, a valid argument? And I hate it when insecure fools such as you have to use other states as a derogatory slur to bring someone down. Why is just mentioning another state considered a slur to you? Do you have any perspective? You do realize there are probably people doing much better than you in other states and what do you have to say back? That the weather is better? Do you have any perspective or do you attach your core to the state that bad?

Get over it and yourself. People have some valid points while others do whine about things they can easily change. These two things are mutually exclusive. Or perhaps you really cannot see that.

[RickRN]

The only reason I live in California is for my job. Nothing else. I don't golf. I don't sunbathe. I don't surf. I don't play beach volleyball. I don't fish. I work to support my family and California based companies seem to pay very well.

[radiolibre99]

Originally Posted by RosieSD

I don't have a problem with Californians talking about our state's problems. I think that is good and healthy. We need to have a productive dialogue between voters in order to move forward.

I also don't have a problem with people who don't live in California sharing with us how their state has addressed things or solved problems we face --- as long as they actually tell us which state they live in so we know that they are for real, and not just trying to stir up trouble or attacking California for sport.

But here's what this constant bashing of California in many of these posts is like:

You and your family are sitting at home one evening after dinner. Your family has good points and not-so-good points. You're well aware of both sides of the coin. Maybe you might seek advice from someone that you know and trust about how they've solved similar issues in their families.

But, the only people who really know and understand your family and how it works (or doesn't) are the people who live in your house. Their opinions are really the only ones that matter because they're the only people who can make things better.

Then, all of a sudden, a total stranger bursts through the door repeatedly saying, "You guys are doing EVERYTHING wrong! Your family is SCREWED! You are all a bunch of commies/socialists/idiots! My family is SO much better, but I am not going to tell you who I or my family are!"

Your wife or husband or children start getting riled up by the stranger's rants -- YES! We SHOULD be mad at each other! Let's fight!

Then, that same stranger comes back day after day for months on end, and he or she brings other strangers into your house all saying horrible things about your family and stirring up more trouble between your family members. Soon, no one in your family is actually listening to each other -- you're too busy fighting to make things better.

I doubt you'd offer the stranger and his friends chairs at your kitchen table.

That pretty much sums up how all of these recent "California is screwing everyone" threads make many of us feel.

We know California is not perfect, but we don't need to have it rubbed in our face by people who won't even tell us the name of the nirvana state where they live.

That's not a productive dialogue. That's just obnoxious.

And, I bet if you or I started doing the same in say... the North Dakota or Georgia forum... we'd get the same reaction.

I have personally tried to steer any of these threads into some semblance of nuance in order to bring up issues that California residents have brought up. I tend to bypass the obvious whining posts about wanting CA to be the same costs as NV. I instead focus on the issues that make CA way more expensive than it probably needs to be. They're issues that I outlined above in another post. It's a complex and overly complicated mess of growth vs preserving the QOL we all enjoy. It triggers a lot of people in here who not only support the measures to keep CA where it is but actively want to support them to keep others out and kick out the people they deem unfit for the state. I can tell it triggers them because the second any of these issues are brought up they act though they're non-issues (even though they're all over CA media) and treat them as though they're akin to the whining about COL. They're not. They're wholly separate from the whining and are no different than the ones addressed by Californians themselves, the city governments, the state and even the former President himself.

Even when they attempt debate they get fumed and when offering a counterpoint they attach a slur, a terse remark or a "go back to Iowa" and show their true colors. Apparently you can pick any of the states in the heartland and use it as a slur to end some unproductive debate they think they've won (while avoiding the issue entirely). It isn't so much that they're boosting, that's fine, this is the CA forum and I don't mind it. I boost for CA all the time, it's the fact that many consider these issues as non-issues and get really personally triggered when they're brought up. No one is trying to develop a condo complex in their living room so it can be rented out by someone who can't buy a home there. I mean that's their impression of those that negate the most absurd NIMBY measures that burden an already burdened situation. These aren't easy things to solve but don't flip out if one doesn't agree with everything CA does.

[radiolibre99]

Eh, all the talk is spurious to begin with. NIMBYism already sealed it's fate, at least in LA when they tried to halt all development needing an exemption from the outdated city plan. Officials weren't going to let them halt the city's growth just so they can have a better view of the Hollywood sign. LOL. It has forced the city to re-examine the outdated city plans in order to bypass the NIMBY overreach and re-examine all the red tape. It will clear city corruption of politicians receiving donations and support from developers too. I mean I am sure this cannot last for too long. Either way I am not against all preservation initiatives or for letting developers just build where ever they want. I am not looking for LA to become Rio. Just for the state to grow some sense and that not everything is a simple matter of supply and demand.

The rest, wanting CA to be as cheap as Oregon. Yeah that's whining. Get your butts to Portland. LOL jk

[V8 Vega]

In Oregon you have to sit in your car waiting when you are in a hurry for a attendant to finally come to your car and pump gas.

[DaisyMaeB]

I've lived here my whole life. We own a ranch which we are emotionally and financially attached to. We've looked into moving out of state and the housing prices were about the same or more.