If CA thinks it can leave the US, can a county leave CA? (calculation, price)

[phantompilot]

Originally Posted by KC6ZLV

I think there is a much greater chance of California succeeding that the state splitting up.

Nobody is going to be seceding. The Civil War settled the state secession issue pretty conclusively. Wrongly....and unlawfully, but conclusively.

[StanleysOwl]

Originally Posted by phantompilot

Nobody is going to be seceding. The Civil War settled the state secession issue pretty conclusively. Wrongly....and unlawfully, but conclusively.

The Civil War settled the issue of armed resurrection. Not peaceful political secession. There is a mechanism for that.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by TristramShandy

Dream on if you think San Diego would be East California. Look at the registered Democrat numbers in the county.

Maybe we'd just go it alone - - already have a population greater than 21 states that exist.

San Diego County's population is around 3 million. It could probably make it as it's own state. It wouldn't be down with the poorest but it certainly wouldn't be one of the wealthier ones. While there is industry in SD, their small in number. Most of the county is rural and most of that is non arable land so all the fresh foods it gets would cost a little more as interstate commerce is more expensive than intrastate.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by TristramShandy

Not a chance. Isaa almost lost this year against a very flawed Democratic candidate (50.3% to 49.7%) even though he had $2.9 million cash on hand over Applegate. And San Diego city proper is decidedly Democrat in registrations (42% to 27%), and they tripled their lead in registrations in 2016 alone.

These are good points even I overlooked. San Diego is bluer now than it used to be and has voted blue in at least the last three elections for president.

[citizensadvocate]

True it appears San Diego and nearly all the coastline cities in the county are just as blue as coastal cities elsewhere in the state. Carlsbad and Coronado while they may still be holding out now though they too seem to be heading that direction as well as more and more of the population support such.

I guess Military presence does not necessary mean more redness even though San Diego county has the largest military presence in the state. Orange County seems among the last areas in this state with relatively conservative beach towns such as San Clemente, Newport Beach, and Huntington Beach and the county over all seem to hold out better than San Diego in terms of turning blue. Of course this election probably due to the Trump effect Orange County appears bluer than normal.

Though I would like to ask if a county's line be redrawn in this case or split up? I.e Can inland of Los Angeles or San Diego County separate from the coastline areas? There are many cities interior of LA county that have more in common with Inland empire or Orange County than with City of LA and its western neighbors. A similar contrast occurs with the coast and inland in San Diego County.

[Gentoo]

Originally Posted by citizensadvocate

True it appears San Diego and nearly all the coastline cities in the county are just as blue as coastal cities elsewhere in the state. Carlsbad and Coronado while they may still be holding out now though they too seem to be heading that direction as well as more and more of the population support such.

I guess Military presence does not necessary mean more redness even though San Diego county has the largest military presence in the state. Orange County seems among the last areas in this state with relatively conservative beach towns such as San Clemente, Newport Beach, and Huntington Beach and the county over all seem to hold out better than San Diego in terms of turning blue. Of course this election probably due to the Trump effect Orange County appears bluer than normal.

Though I would like to ask if a county's line be redrawn in this case or split up? I.e Can inland of Los Angeles or San Diego County separate from the coastline areas? There are many cities interior of LA county that have more in common with Inland empire or Orange County than with City of LA and its western neighbors. A similar contrast occurs with the coast and inland in San Diego County.

I think a lot of people don't really look at the military aspect correctly. It may be that the presence of the military could be contributing to the bluing of San Diego. This is what happened in Virginia. The bluest areas in Virginia are around the military bases.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by StanleysOwl

The Civil War settled the issue of armed resurrection. Not peaceful political secession. There is a mechanism for that.

One that has zero change of happening in your life time.

[taimaishu]

Originally Posted by rhbj03

I would think those separatists would support counties "self determination", right?

They COULD, but they would lose on all the $$$$ CA generates for the Feds. And how will the feds be able to bailout the poor red states?

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by taimaishu

They COULD, but they would lose on all the $$$$ CA generates for the Feds. And how will the feds be able to bailout the poor red states?

This is a myth. California only experienced a $13 billion deficit between what it receives in Federal spending vs what the state generates in tax revenue.

The Federal government sent back $1.27 TRILLION back to the states in Federal Aid for FY 2017.

How much is California's $13 Billion deficit compared to what the Feds send back to the states? It's literally .01, or about 1 percent of all Federal -> State Aid.

So NO, you are ridiculously WRONG that somehow California's paltry $13 billion extra in money it sends to the Feds is somehow going to cripple how much money is sent to other states.

Like most California leftist, you have grander visions of what you are, than what the actual reality is.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

This is a myth. California only experienced a $13 billion deficit between what it receives in Federal spending vs what the state generates in tax revenue.

The Federal government sent back $1.27 TRILLION back to the states in Federal Aid for FY 2017.

How much is California's $13 Billion deficit compared to what the Feds send back to the states? It's literally .01, or about 1 percent of all Federal -> State Aid.

So NO, you are ridiculously WRONG that somehow California's paltry $13 billion extra in money it sends to the Feds is somehow going to cripple how much money is sent to other states.

Like most California leftist, you have grander visions of what you are, than what the actual reality is.

Besides the generated cash comes from Income tax that a person pays regardless of which State he live sin. Certain activities generate funds to like the ports and such. However CA has hard time existing on the money it takes in, in State taxes, so there is a problem to begin with. Of course CA would simply raise the State taxes to the Fed/State combination and ... still overspend. It is CA.