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^^^ Sad but true...
04-28-2017, 10:23 AM
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My guess is most people bought homes after the market tanked then sold after having a good amount of equity and were able to purchase an expensive new home.
There were also a lot of smart people who didn't get sucked into the housing bubble of 2000-2007. If they didn't leave the state, they stuck around renting and saving. If you save your money for 7-8 years, you tend to accumulate a lot of cash, there's your downpayment.
Just look at the stats on housing purchases from 2008-2014. You will see (roughly) about 40-50% cash offers, about 30-40% conventional plus (20% or more down), and the rest will be FHA/VA with a small sliver being non-conforming. Banks were simply not giving non-conforming loans during this time because of how badly they were burned during the crash.
Now things are getting frothy again, and you're starting to see slimy institutions tempting people into 3-5% down type of loans. You're also seeing lots of mailers going out from Chase/BOA asking people who have lots of equity to start taking HELOCs (I see them weekly). So nearly 10 years after the crash, a lot of stupid people have simply forgotten how things got so messed up last time.
Which is why I think anyone buying now better make sure they can afford it, and are in for the long term. Now is not the time to "invest" into real estate unless you've got some other advantages in the market not available to your regular home buyer.
04-28-2017, 10:30 AM
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I'm getting about a dozen offers to sell EACH week so I know the market is peaking.
04-28-2017, 10:44 AM
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I'm getting about a dozen offers to sell EACH week so I know the market is peaking.Problem is the families I rent to have been with me for decades and I am sure selling would prove to be an extreme hardship on them...
Unfortunately you are an exception.
04-28-2017, 05:01 PM
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i bought my first home last year. my income will double next year(going from p/t to f/t) so i will already be looking to upgrade this house. i just dont know if ill keep it and rent it out or sell for the down payment of the next house. im hoping the housing market peaks then slowly declines to where i can jus save up for a down and keep my current one as rental property.
04-28-2017, 05:16 PM
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i bought my first home last year. my income will double next year(going from p/t to f/t) so i will already be looking to upgrade this house. i just dont know if ill keep it and rent it out or sell for the down payment of the next house. im hoping the housing market peaks then slowly declines to where i can jus save up for a down and keep my current one as rental property. But either way, California income pretty much matches housing prices so buying in Cali isnt all that far fetched like some think. its just the size comparison is what gets peoples up in arms..
Actually, it is very hard for many to own in California, and especially in Silicon Valley and LA/OC:
L.A.-O.C. homeownership: Best in 2 years but still 3rd worst nationally – Orange County Register In the L.A.-O.C. region, ownership hit 50.1 percent in the first quarter, the third worst share in the U.S. Census Bureau’s quarterly tally of households living in a home they own in 75 large U.S. metro areas. L.A.-O.C. ranked last in ownership in all four quarters of 2016. However, the region’s latest result is an improvement compared with 48.4 percent in the fourth quarter and 49 percent a year ago.
Homeownership is on the rise across much of California as the rate hit 55.1 percent in the first quarter, highest since 2011’s second quarter. Nationally, the state was fourth lowest behind the District of Columbia, New York and Nevada...
Nationally, homeownership has been loosely stable in the past year, coming in at 63.6 percent for the first quarter.
04-28-2017, 06:37 PM
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The
NY Times has some interesting stats on first time home buyers.The median down payment is just 6 percent. The median purchase price is $182,500. The median income is $72,000. 87 percent of first time buyers were born in the US.
Who’s Buying a First Home? Calculator
By MICHAEL KOLOMATSKY APRIL 21, 2017
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/21/r...ype=collection
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09-05-2018, 12:39 PM
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So do entry level (I dont mean min wage, I mean entry level professional careers such as IT desktop support people) make 100k to start in SF? I think not. I see ads for IT jobs in the 40-50k range. How the heck would any normal person (as in a young person wanting to raise a family not live the NYC lifestyle) ever even attempt to live on that? Especially if they have 50k in student loans to get there. I am mid career an in IT and have never made anywhere close to 100k and most people I know have not. I am not in CA but in a not cheap state. I think the myth of high wages is just that. A myth, The normal people who own homes inherited them or bougth them years ago. No other explanation. The nuclear family is dead in our "just get more roomates" culture. It works in NYC but the rest of the country does not want to be NYC. How can average rents be 900-1000 a month in a place where the median income is 30k a year? We are heading for a nation of homelessness and disaster. The rich fat cats may profess otherwise but its true. We need to make everyone make 100k a year or bring back 500-600 a month rents. Greed is killing
09-05-2018, 01:31 PM
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So do entry level (I dont mean min wage, I mean entry level professional careers such as IT desktop support people) make 100k to start in SF? I think not. I see ads for IT jobs in the 40-50k range. How the heck would any normal person (as in a young person wanting to raise a family not live the NYC lifestyle) ever even attempt to live on that? Especially if they have 50k in student loans to get there. I am mid career an in IT and have never made anywhere close to 100k and most people I know have not. I am not in CA but in a not cheap state. I think the myth of high wages is just that. A myth, The normal people who own homes inherited them or bougth them years ago. No other explanation. The nuclear family is dead in our "just get more roomates" culture. It works in NYC but the rest of the country does not want to be NYC. How can average rents be 900-1000 a month in a place where the median income is 30k a year? We are heading for a nation of homelessness and disaster. The rich fat cats may profess otherwise but its true. We need to make everyone make 100k a year or bring back 500-600 a month rents. Greed is killing
I love how someone who doesn't live here is telling us how it is... what's the location equivalent of "mansplaining?" "Non-residentsplaining?"
FACT is that most professionals here (meaning the major metros like SF, SJ, and LA) earn around or over $100K - yes, even at the start of their careers. I make almost $90K as a public librarian, while librarians in other regions are usually making $40-55K. I also don't know ANYONE who inherited their home, with the exception of a few elderly colleagues... they all just got in at the right time, earn a good living, and/or received help (parents or first-time homebuyer programs) with the down payment. Saying they all inherited or bought a long time ago is so easily debunked, if you just go onto to Zillow or Realtor and look at "recently sold" listings. Or is that just a big conspiracy, and they're all lying? Those realtors I know must have some secret underground income!
I'm not denying the housing costs are insane here, because we all know they are. But we really do earn more on average, especially if you're focusing on the high-COL counties. Never look at statewide medians, since that will include all the cheap regions like Fresno, Bakersfield, Sacramento, etc. Here in the Bay Area, only lower-skilled jobs pay less than $80-100K.
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People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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