Remember How Great California Was? (San Diego, San Francisco: loan, costs, military)

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by Kevdawgg

Any long time California residents here remember how great California used to be when it was a red state? And how it used to be #1 in everything? Now it's been going down the toilet for a long time (You can thank Gray Davis for starting the decline). I'm going to be the Donald Trump of California. Make California Great Again.

I wish it was that simple. Yes, we all remember or those of us over 60 how great the state was. Much of it is still great, but certainly the government give aways hasn't helped.. Probably we can go back to the days of Jerry Brown (his first time around) things started declining then, got somewhat better and then truly seemed to go south. A lot of things can be blamed on the liberals, but not everything. As for Trump, I wouldn't count on him improving the state much. He has his hands full rebuilding our country while trying to keep himself in office. I do think controlling the boarders will help the state return to the wonderful place I called home for 40 years or so.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

Education was cheap because before Reagan, it was FREE. Reagan introduced tuition to the UC system, to keep "communists" and other agitators out of UC Berkeley, when he was governor.

I certainly was not free: I went to SDSU in the 50s. I can assure you tuition was not free. In fact neither was community college, called JR College then. I would love to know where you got that information.
I will agree it was very little, but so were salaries. My family was considered middle to upper middle class, my dad was an EE with 3 degrees and I believe his salary, at the time, was around $24,000 a year if that much.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by RMESMH

Interesting. I know my grandfather paid $40 per year per student for my mother and my aunt at Cal in the late 1940's/early 1950's, but you're right about Reagan, so that $40 must have been for a student fee and not tuition. By the time I was a UC student in the very early 80s, the total together was a bit over $1300 per year per student.

No, it was tuition: fees were separate and by the 1950s it was double what you are quoting or you have forgotten, we paid by the semester, not the year.

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by nmnita

I certainly was not free: I went to SDSU in the 50s. I can assure you tuition was not free. In fact neither was community college, called JR College then. I would love to know where you got that information.
I will agree it was very little, but so were salaries. My family was considered middle to upper middle class, my dad was an EE with 3 degrees and I believe his salary, at the time, was around $24,000 a year if that much.

There was no tuition back then. There was a registration fee, but it was minimal. CA used to pride itself on providing tuition-free higher education. NY had that for awhile, too.

Reagan really pushed to introduce tuition, but the State Legislature nixed it (I mis-stated the case earlier). But they did allow him to raise fees very significantly. Actual tuition wasn't introduced until later, as an earlier posted stated.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

There was no tuition back then. There was a registration fee, but it was minimal. CA used to pride itself on providing tuition-free higher education. NY had that for awhile, too.

Reagan really pushed to introduce tuition, but the State Legislature nixed it (I mis-stated the case earlier). But they did allow him to raise fees very significantly. Actual tuition wasn't introduced until later, as an earlier posted stated.

call it what you want: were you part of the system in 1957? I was and they referred to our costs each semester as tuition; out of state students paid more, just Like I did to go to Univ of Colo in 1955. I will agree the prices did go up considerably around 1970. And by the time my own children reached college age, they had gone quite a bit higher, but student loans also were more available and very easy to get.

[TheFlats]

Originally Posted by nmnita

A lot of things can be blamed on the liberals, but not everything.

Well how generous of you. As long as you remember to blame us for ending legal racial segregation, women's suffrage, minimum wage, social security, medicare, medicaid, and environmental protections then I'm OK.

[Kevroqs]

Originally Posted by TheFlats

As long as you remember to blame us for ending legal racial segregation, women's suffrage

The Republicans supported giving women the right to vote and the civil rights act, and got barely any Democrat support.

The Democrats are the party of slavery, the kkk, Jim Crow laws, and Japanese internment. That's why I will never vote for them.

[AlongTheI-5]

Originally Posted by Kevdawgg

The Republicans supported giving women the right to vote and the civil rights act, and got barely any Democrat support.

The Democrats are the party of slavery, the kkk, Jim Crow laws, and Japanese internment. That's why I will never vote for them.

The parties change over time. Smart people know this.

[SOON2BNSURPRISE]

Republican's both elected to office and those that vote that way need to stop with the attitude that we have lost the state. That is the case for now only. Most people in the state do not vote. They are giving away the election.

We have over 18 million registered voters. Just under 7,932,000 of those are Demorcrat. 5,225,000 of those are Republican. That gives you over 5million that are in other parties or decline to state a party.

Another 6,400,000 have not registered to vote in California.

Of those that are registered to vote, the 18million only 75% showed up for this last election or about 13,500,000 people voting.

A lot of people in California are not even voting. That is a lot of people, many of which I am sure are upset about how the Democrats are running things. That is 10,900,000 people that did not vote at all. Hillary won California with less than 5 million votes. I wonder how things would have turned out if the missing 10,900,000 had shown up at the election.

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by nmnita

I certainly was not free: I went to SDSU in the 50s. I can assure you tuition was not free. In fact neither was community college, called JR College then. I would love to know where you got that information.
I will agree it was very little, but so were salaries. My family was considered middle to upper middle class, my dad was an EE with 3 degrees and I believe his salary, at the time, was around $24,000 a year if that much.

There was no tuition at a California State College or a California University until 1975. The history of UC tuition since 1868 | The Daily Californian

There was no tuition charged at California Community Colleges until 1984 https://smccd.edu/factbook/files/p41...%20History.pdf