Covered California Rate Increase 12.5% for 2018 (transplants, gated, move)

[TheFlats]

Hmmm, maybe we should give Medicare more resources to tackle fraud. The ACA did just that (I'm willing to bet at least one of your examples was a result of those resources). Or do you think evil government Medicare employees see evidence of fraud and just go about their day, thinking 'not my problem'?

https://mainelse.org/sites/default/f..._antifraud.pdf

There's rampant tax fraud too, and the IRS doesn't have nearly enough of a budget to tackle it. People can suck.

[SportyandMisty]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

I see they fail to mention that Medicare underpays so doctors have to overcharge other patients to cover their Medicare patients. Not to mention how hard it is to find a doctor who will accept new Medicare patients because of this. Looks like they also forget to take into account all the staff needed to process paperwork for Medicare patients well beyond what is needed for traditional patients. Not to mention how the average citizens costs over fours times more than what they put into the system. Surely sounds like a sound and long lasting plan that should be expanded to cover everyone.

Economists on the left, right and center all agree on one thing: government is exceptionally good at creating shortages and scarcity. For example, if the government passes a law or implements a regulation limiting the price of tomatoes to 2 cents per pound, very rapidly we would have a nationwide shortage of tomatoes.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by SportyandMisty

Economists on the left, right and center all agree on one thing: government is exceptionally good at creating shortages and scarcity.

This.

If K-12 taught this simple concept (and the reasons why it happens), we wouldn't have boondoggles like ACA in the first place.

Austrian Market Economics has been shown to be the most EFFICIENT (free of external forces like dictators, war, etc) at solving the problem of scarcity most efficiently.

[SportyandMisty]

Originally Posted by TheFlats

Hmmm, maybe we should give Medicare more resources to tackle fraud. The ACA did just that (I'm willing to bet at least one of your examples was a result of those resources). Or do you think evil government Medicare employees see evidence of fraud and just go about their day, thinking 'not my problem'?

https://mainelse.org/sites/default/f..._antifraud.pdf

There's rampant tax fraud too, and the IRS doesn't have nearly enough of a budget to tackle it. People can suck.

Which illustrates the point: the government is not very good at allocating scarce resources. In the real world, giving CMS more resources to tackle fraud must be coupled with a way to pay for it. Let's say we want to pay for those extra CMS investigators by reducing or eliminating pork in the budget elsewhere -- then it is shot down by the elected congressmen who bring that pork back to their district.

Yes, Obamacare helped cut down on fraud - but even so, the fraud is larger than ever before. There certainly is fraud in the private marketplace as well, but it is orders of magnitude smaller.

Of course, zero fraud is not and should not be the objective.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by SportyandMisty

Economists on the left, right and center all agree on one thing: government is exceptionally good at creating shortages and scarcity. For example, if the government passes a law or implements a regulation limiting the price of tomatoes to 2 cents per pound, very rapidly we would have a nationwide shortage of tomatoes.

Long ago they passed a law regulating the price of various meet cuts. Oops new ones were created and since not in the law they could be priced as the stores, etc wanted. Controlling prices always creates shortages as many don't want to waste their time and money for very little or nothing in return. The Gov't, State and Federal and stupid people, pass a lot of Feel Good laws that either fail to benefit more than a few or increase the costs.

[TheFlats]

Nobody is talking about price controls for food (let's get rid of those corn/ethanol subsidies though). Geez, y'all are like a bunch of wandering kittens, stay on topic haha.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by TheFlats

Nobody is talking about price controls for food (let's get rid of those corn/ethanol subsidies though). Geez, y'all are like a bunch of wandering kittens, stay on topic haha.

Or maybe you should pay attention to what he's trying to say?

He's literally telling you the problem: scarcity.

You believe the solution is more government ("maybe we should give Medicare more resources to tackle fraud"), and he's telling you, quite correctly, that government is good at creating scarcity, but NOT good at eliminating it (see Venezuela).

Your literally trying to put out a fire by throwing gasoline onto it.

[TheFlats]

Sporty is female I believe. She was talking about the price of tomatoes and Expat was talking about cuts of meat.

Who is talking about the government allocating (?) scare resources? Is the point that Medicare should use dollars spent on healthcare to tackle fraud? Is it that the government shouldn't give Medicare more resources to tackle fraud since they'll be misused to pay government salaries? Is is that health care is a scare resource? Which is why people in Germany have such a hard time finding medical care, right?

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

Austrian Market Economics has been shown to be the most EFFICIENT (free of external forces like dictators, war, etc) at solving the problem of scarcity most efficiently.

Yeah just take reality out of it and assume we all live in a happy, peaceful world where everyone is rational and charitable and Austrian economics works just fine. Sounds a bunch like communism right Cali?

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

Your literally trying to put out a fire by throwing gasoline onto it.

I'm just having fun with the trolls on this fine Thursday morning.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by TheFlats

Sporty is female I believe. She was talking about the price of tomatoes and Expat was talking about cuts of meat.

Who is talking about the government allocating (?) scare resources? Is the point that Medicare should use dollars spent on healthcare to tackle fraud? Is it that the government shouldn't give Medicare more resources to tackle fraud since they'll be misused to pay government salaries? Is is that health care is a scare resource? Which is why people in Germany have such a hard time finding medical care, right?



Yeah just take reality out of it and assume we all live in a happy, peaceful world where everyone is rational and charitable and Austrian economics works just fine. Sounds a bunch like communism right Cali?



I'm just having fun with the trolls on this fine Thursday morning.

My point was that Gov't control usually leads to higher cost and/or less benefits. The exceptions in many cases, like medicare (That I am on), causes costs for others to go up so the Doctors and Hospitals, etc make the money they ...... want.

Now to tackle fraud, us the IRS since tax money will be involved and no one likes to hear from them.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

Or maybe you should pay attention to what he's trying to say?

He's literally telling you the problem: scarcity.

You believe the solution is more government ("maybe we should give Medicare more resources to tackle fraud"), and he's telling you, quite correctly, that government is good at creating scarcity, but NOT good at eliminating it (see Venezuela).

Your literally trying to put out a fire by throwing gasoline onto it.

Humm, maybe he is a troll?

Likes fires and that is why he likes CA?