Covered California Rate Increase 12.5% for 2018 (San Bernardino, Alameda: suite, wealthy, homeowner)

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by SportyandMisty

Just a side note: the above numbers, titled "Average Cost 2013" are not costs. They are prices. The actual cost is much, much lower.

Right, because when you are paying with cash you can negotiate prices and get that chemo for a dozen organic eggs and a flat of strawberries from your garden, gotta love the free market

[CA4Now]

California, which has used the Affordable Care Act to extend health protections to millions of its residents and cut in half the number of people without health insurance, stands to lose more than any other state under the latest Republican plan to roll back the 2010 law:

California would take biggest hit under Senate Republicans' latest Obamacare repeal plan - LA Times

[SportyandMisty]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Right, because when you are paying with cash you can negotiate prices and get that chemo for a dozen organic eggs and a flat of strawberries from your garden, gotta love the free market

The Price includes bloated administrative costs and fees. That's where we've seen a 10x reduction in productivity in the last 30 years which has driven the price up.

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Not sure what this means. Anyone "lying"? At any rate, people have posted data on multiple threads that disproves your opinion, but you keep ignoring it.



And get an opinion from right wing publication, as you've posted before?



Health insurance companies have as their primary interest PROFITS. They're actually not in the business of keeping people well.

No data has been provided stating obamacare is healthy, let alone some how fiscally ballenced.

Why Obamacare Co-Ops Are Failing At A Rate Of Nearly 50% | The Heritage Foundation
Obamacare’s sinking safety net
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...t-to-fail/amp/
https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...are-collapsing
https://waysandmeans.house.gov/three...near-collapse/
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...of-errors/amp/

Here are some articles describing how different aspects of Obamacare are failing.

Do you think any company, or the government for that mater, is in the business of anything else besides money or amassing power?

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by SportyandMisty

The Price includes bloated administrative costs and fees. That's where we've seen a 10x reduction in productivity in the last 30 years which has driven the price up.

Which of course will all go away when no one has insurance, Doctors will throw away their computers, fire their administrative staff and track patient billing themselves on paper ledgers, right?

[shooting4life]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Which of course will all go away when no one has insurance, Doctors will throw away their computers, fire their administrative staff and track patient billing themselves on paper ledgers, right?

This just shows how detached you are from the burden that is the regulatory state, both government and insurance.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...paperwork/amp/

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

This just shows how detached you are from the burden that is the regulatory state, both government and insurance.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.for...paperwork/amp/

Detached..hmm ok. Doctors have to do a lot of paperwork, that is indisputable but what does that have to do with this discussion?

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by shooting4life

Here are some articles describing how different aspects of Obamacare are failing.

From your first link, "The mission of The Heritage Foundation is to formulate and promote conservative public policies..."

From your second link, "A POLITICO review of 2015 financial filings from nearly 100 health plans across a dozen geographically and politically diverse states found that less than a quarter of them hit the standard break-even point for insurers." (Of course health care for profit will always be expensive.)

Your third link, "The ACA was always destined to be a heavy political lift. Its vulnerability derives from two distinct phenomena: popular resentment of any sort of insurance mandate -- which runs counter to the durable, libertarian strain of American political culture -- and elite resentment of the taxes used to pay for expanded coverage." (That's for sure.)

In your fourth link, Molina Healthcare is their example. Molina Healthcare was referred to California Fraud Investigators in May of this year. https://www.wsj.com/articles/molina-...ers-1493748219

Your fifth link, "The Committee on Ways and Means is the oldest committee of the United States Congress, and is the chief tax-writing committee in the House of Representatives. The Committee derives a large share of its jurisdiction from Article I, Section VII of the U.S. Constitution which declares, “All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives.” (Would you think that any tax writing committee would be for any policy that increases taxes? I wouldn't.)

And your sixth, "Obamacare's architects settled on these government-sponsored co-ops as a replacement for the government-run "public option," which was cut from the law at the last minute to ensure that it could attract the votes to pass." Yes, to appease the Republicans, or the ACA would never have passed.

Originally Posted by shooting4life

Do you think any company, or the government for that mater, is in the business of anything else besides money or amassing power?

Health care is not like "any company." Health care, like public education, should not be a for-profit industry.

[CA4Now]

"...we know what happens when states get to do what they want with healthcare. That was the old setup, and it frustrated millions in the individual insurance market. My son’s birth — and the maternity coverage that made it possible — offers a concrete example of how bad things were, how much they got better, and how bad they might become again."

I have a 1-year-old son. If Cassidy-Graham had been in place, he probably wouldn't have been born - LA Times

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

From your first link, "The mission of The Heritage Foundation is to formulate and promote conservative public policies..."

From your second link, "A POLITICO review of 2015 financial filings from nearly 100 health plans across a dozen geographically and politically diverse states found that less than a quarter of them hit the standard break-even point for insurers." (Of course health care for profit will always be expensive.)

Your third link, "The ACA was always destined to be a heavy political lift. Its vulnerability derives from two distinct phenomena: popular resentment of any sort of insurance mandate -- which runs counter to the durable, libertarian strain of American political culture -- and elite resentment of the taxes used to pay for expanded coverage." (That's for sure.)

In your fourth link, Molina Healthcare is their example. Molina Healthcare was referred to California Fraud Investigators in May of this year. https://www.wsj.com/articles/molina-...ers-1493748219

Your fifth link, "The Committee on Ways and Means is the oldest committee of the United States Congress, and is the chief tax-writing committee in the House of Representatives. The Committee derives a large share of its jurisdiction from Article I, Section VII of the U.S. Constitution which declares, “All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives.” (Would you think that any tax writing committee would be for any policy that increases taxes? I wouldn't.)

And your sixth, "Obamacare's architects settled on these government-sponsored co-ops as a replacement for the government-run "public option," which was cut from the law at the last minute to ensure that it could attract the votes to pass." Yes, to appease the Republicans, or the ACA would never have passed.



Health care is not like "any company." Health care, like public education, should not be a for-profit industry.

You mean like the bloated salaries for the top administrators, etc and the pensions. NO profit for who? Remember pensions also need the profit from throe companies as that is where they get a return on their investment, just a s all investors large or small do. Oops now a lot of people have less money as well.