CA Supreme Court Ruling: all your monies belong to us, taxes (San Francisco: low income, 2014)

[TheFlats]

Originally Posted by expatCA

They won't vote, it will be a fee hike by City and County councils.

in·i·ti·a·tive
/iˈniSH(ē)ədiv/

noun: initiative; plural noun: initiatives; noun: the initiative

(especially in some US states and Switzerland) the right of citizens outside the legislature to originate legislation.

[BayAreaHillbilly]

Originally Posted by max210

California Supreme Court: Local tax hikes proposed via initiative are different from those by elected officials

California Supreme Court: Local tax hikes proposed via initiative are different from those by elected officials - LA Times

Instead of balancing budgets, .gov will just tax you for more money by bypassing prop 13. Expect special "fees" to push the environmental agenda in CA.

They don't need to push anything to get these feel good taxes approved by the voters. Unless we're talking serious cattle country in the far hinterlands, the average California voter is a Quaternary Urbanite who never met a Green / Left / etc initiative they didn't like. I look at my precinct. It's about 70% Leftists.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by TheFlats

Ahhh yes, the undemocratic notion that a majority vote of citizens can be used to raise taxes.

Poor people voting to redistribute the money of others?

That's about as undemocratic as it gets.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by TheFlats

in·i·ti·a·tive
/iˈniSH(ē)ədiv/

noun: initiative; plural noun: initiatives; noun: the initiative

(especially in some US states and Switzerland) the right of citizens outside the legislature to originate legislation.

Oops you are right, I went to lunch after reading it and forgot that point.

Humm, I wonder if that means the residents can also do an initiative to drop fees and taxes?

[BayAreaHillbilly]

Originally Posted by V8 Vega

When are Californians going to get fed up enough and start voting these bastards out? Trouble is people blindly don't pay any attention to the news and blissfully go on with their lives unaware of anything.

It's been over for years.

In case you didn't notice, the vast influx of people from other long-Blue states overwhelmed the old, as Reagan would have quipped, "God faring Westerners," of yore.

[BayAreaHillbilly]

Originally Posted by YoungTraveler2011

1. Unintelligent people vote
2. Unintelligent people end up in power
3. Intelligent people get f'd over

it's the vicious cycle of life.

allowing people who haven't had a real job for at least 5 years to vote is STUPID.

Well, actually, a lot of very educated people have moved here. Thing is, they are not educated people from the Golden West. They are educated people from the NE US and upper Midwest.

[TheFlats]

They might even use your tax dollars to pay government employee's salaries and provide assistance to poor people, run for the hills!

[TheFlats]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

Poor people voting to redistribute the money of others?

That's about as undemocratic as it gets.

Yes, like all of those poor people in San Francisco and Santa Monica? Seems to me the poorer areas of the state are the most likely to vote against tax increases for the wealthy.

What should the threshold be for a vote to pass something? Should we exclude people under 50K/year from voting? How about let's just restrict tax initiatives to landowners and then ask them to vote on whether they think they should have to pay property taxes?

[payutenyodagimas]

am sure these towns don't even tax at all:




https://johnrieber.com/2016/11/12/mo...election-2016/

[TheFlats]

Originally Posted by payutenyodagimas

am sure these towns don't even tax at all:

https://johnrieber.com/2016/11/12/mo...election-2016/

And yet many of those rural Oklahoman citizens want the federal government to invest my (coastal elite) tax dollars in their town to either fix their infrastructure that they won't/can't pay for themselves, or to subsidize or outright force private businesses to set up shop there.

Originally Posted by expatCA

Oops you are right, I went to lunch after reading it and forgot that point.

Humm, I wonder if that means the residents can also do an initiative to drop fees and taxes?

No worries, it was too easy to pass up The California initiative system has many pluses and minuses, but overall I'd like to keep it. Direct democracy can be messy but it gives the people one more check on their government. And yeah, initiatives and propositions can definitely removed identified taxes or even change the existing tax rates. I don't believe a locality can remove a state tax or a state proposition remove a local tax though.