Is California an INTOLERANT place (to non Liberal views etc)? (Los Angeles: colleges, tax)

[waffleiron1968]

Let me say that I am a Democrat - but a centrist Democrat. I believe in a sizable state and believe in stuff like universal, tax funded healthcare. However, I am also a traditionalist on some issues like the nature of family and marriages and so on. I consider myself a liberal, akin to to sort of mainstream leftist parties in many European countries.

However, on to the question, do you guys think California is outright intolerant to non-Liberal views? Is it as bad for Conservatives and we assume the deep South is for liberals?

The story about UCB and 'Free Speech' etc make one think. I am a Democrat but not on the far left - kind of a socialist-traditionalist. I think most liberals of my age (c.50) fall into that box. The younger generation seem to be 'extreme liberals' who reject all notions of normalcy that are grounded in eons of human experience and are universal across cultures etc.

Just some thoughts but would like your opinions.

[BeauCharles]

They're not necessarily intolerant. They just have a plurality in many communities plus a majority in state government so they do whatever hair-brained thing they want with no checks or balance. Its frustrating for a moderate Democrat who is used to the back and forth in state politics of the 80s and 90s. Now its one party rule and I don't like that. On a social level, yeah, the younger generation seems much more liberal than in the past. It will probably swing the other way when they have kids (if they bother to reproduce at all - probably just get a dog).

[waffleiron1968]

Originally Posted by BeauCharles

They're not necessarily intolerant. They just have a plurality in many communities plus a majority in state government so they do whatever hair-brained thing they want with no checks or balance. Its frustrating for a moderate Democrat who is used to the back and forth in state politics of the 80s and 90s. Now its one party rule and I don't like that. On a social level, yeah, the younger generation seems much more liberal than in the past. It will probably swing the other way when they have kids (if they bother to reproduce at all - probably just get a dog).

LMAO.

I find the super liberalism as bad as the ultra conservatism. I mean these people have no moral boundaries.
The nation need a draft to straighten them out a little! More seriously, the origins of his ultra liberalism - do you trace it to the end of the Cold War or is it a re-run (repackaged) of the 1960's vibe?

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by waffleiron1968

Let me say that I am a Democrat - but a centrist Democrat. I believe in a sizable state and believe in stuff like universal, tax funded healthcare. However, I am also a traditionalist on some issues like the nature of family and marriages and so on. I consider myself a liberal, akin to to sort of mainstream leftist parties in many European countries.

However, on to the question, do you guys think California is outright intolerant to non-Liberal views? Is it as bad for Conservatives and we assume the deep South is for liberals?

The story about UCB and 'Free Speech' etc make one think. I am a Democrat but not on the far left - kind of a socialist-traditionalist. I think most liberals of my age (c.50) fall into that box. The younger generation seem to be 'extreme liberals' who reject all notions of normalcy that are grounded in eons of human experience and are universal across cultures etc.

Just some thoughts but would like your opinions.

Yes.

Go to Los Angeles, San Francisco, or any major city wearing an "I love Jesus" t-shirt. Now do the same wearing an "I love Islam" shirt. Take note in the difference in reactions.

[waffleiron1968]

Youngsters will adopt any position which is deemed to be anti GOP. They tend to be ignorant of all religions so that is only a measure of anti traditional values in the US context. This raises a further point.

Most people of all religious leanings tend to be a bit conservative - but politically (which is what I had in mind) , these rapid liberals reject any consideration of even centralist views, leave alone anything from the right (some of which has firm value).

[MtnSurfer]

There is no way to stereotype or generalize the entire state of CA in this way. That extreme characterization based upon what some nutjobs did on a liberal campus in no way reflects the entire population. Do people who watch the news from other locations really think the whole state is like one liberal college campus which the news hipes to no end? How about all California colleges? Are they all like that perhaps?

We have extremists on both ends of the spectrum as well as many more somewhere in the middle. As a native that has lived throughout the state in mostly liberal areas except for OC, I've interacted with and known people from all ends of the spectrum. Likewise, I've also changed my views and political affiliations through the years from Democrat to Republican to Independent. Its never been an issue as long as I demonstrated respect for others. Unless you're planning to rally on some college campus and then rail at the other side whoever that is, this is completely irrelevant. 99.99% of the population sees what you did on TV and that's the closest they come to it.

[waffleiron1968]

This question was partially born out of the experiences of a friend from Indiana and the discussions we have.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by MtnSurfer

There is no way to stereotype or generalized the entire state of CA in this way. That extreme characterization based upon what some nutjobs did on a liberal campus in no way reflects the entire population.

Uh what about the politics and laws in the state? Do those not reflect the population? It's obviously not a few "nut jobs" who passed AB109, Prop 63, Prop 47, and Sanctuary city policies.

I'm not saying 100% of the population is lefty leaning in California, but let's not act like Democrats are some simple plurality among pluralities. The state is Democrat run and owned and that isn't changing anytime soon.

[MtnSurfer]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

Uh what about the politics and laws in the state? Do those not reflect the population? It's obviously not a few "nut jobs" who passed AB109, Prop 63, Prop 47, and Sanctuary city policies.

I'm not saying 100% of the population is lefty leaning in California, but let's not act like Democrats are some simple plurality among pluralities. The state is Democrat run and owned and that isn't changing anytime soon.

Yes, but that's not the question is it? Everyone knows that CA is a blue state. That's totally obvious. But that doesn't make it an INTOLERANT place. There are literally millions of conservatives who live an thrive in the state let alone middle of the road liberals. I know many of them. The later is what the OP is calling herself and likely the majority of the state's population. I've never heard a liberal person of any kind make such a claim. That is unless your definition for intolerance is that other don't prescribe to your own political agendas/beliefs/ideologies. If that self-defined intolerance is causing you personal suffering then that is not the norm. I have many conservatives friends and relatives who will rant on and on about politics. Just like many on this form. But few will say they are suffering from intolerance. Sure there are edge cases. But its not the norm by a long shot.

[1AngryTaxPayer]

Originally Posted by MtnSurfer

Yes, but that's not the question is it? Everyone knows that CA is a blue state. That's totally obvious. But that doesn't make it an INTOLERANT place. There are literally millions of conservatives who live an thrive in the state let alone middle of the road liberals. I know many of them. The later is what the OP is calling herself and likely the majority of the state's population. I've never heard a liberal person of any kind make such a claim. That is unless your definition for intolerance is that other don't prescribe to your own political agendas/beliefs/ideologies. If that self-defined intolerance is causing you personal suffering then that is not the norm. I have many conservatives friends and relatives who will rant on and on about politics. Just like many on this form. But few will say they are suffering from intolerance. Sure there are edge cases. But its not the norm by a long shot.

Try being a gun owner, hunter or fisherman. I dare you to put a bumper sticker on your rig that reflects that and park in a public parking lot after dark.