History lesson (live in, housing, title)

[leftcoastie]

Originally Posted by expatCA

This type of behavior has been common through all history and with all Nations.

It's still happening, now... including with the USA.

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by leftcoastie

It's still happening, now... including with the USA.

Oh really? Show proof of this alleged killing spree/genocide. Make sure to show statistics relating to other racial groups if you are claiming wrongs against one group.

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Looks like a party for the Howard Zinn crowd. The reality is that all current Americans are inadvertently benefiting from indigenous displacement, including those who feel the worst about the events of the past.

This is why studying history is valuable and important. I would have liked to have learned about this in school, as a California-raised-and-educated individual. The value of threads like this is that we learn how much our education omitted. And when we learn what kinds of things were omitted from the history lessons, it starts to become clear why they were omitted.

Thanks to Tulemutt for choosing to rejoin us, if only temporarily, and posting his OP. The 'Mutt is back!

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

This is why studying history is valuable and important. I would have liked to have learned about this in school, as a California-raised-and-educated individual. The value of threads like this is that we learn how much our education omitted. And when we learn what kinds of things were omitted from the history lessons, it starts to become clear why they were omitted.

Thanks to Tulemutt for choosing to rejoin us, if only temporarily, and posting his OP. The 'Mutt is back!

Such topics are indeed historically noteworthy both for conversation and study. However, for some strange reason, the obsession of those who dwell on such topics seems to be to exclusively portray whites as attackers and non- whites, as victims. I have yet to see serious discussion about, say, Barbary Piracy and the horrors it caused for hundreds of years.

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Such topics are indeed historically noteworthy both for conversation and study. However, for some strange reason, the obsession of those who dwell on such topics seems to be to exclusively portray whites as attackers and non- whites, as victims. I have yet to see serious discussion about, say, Barbary Piracy and the horrors it caused for hundreds of years.

Well, this is a California forum...

Is Tulemutt obsessed? Or were you thinking of someone else?

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

Such topics are indeed historically noteworthy both for conversation and study. However, for some strange reason, the obsession of those who dwell on such topics seems to be to exclusively portray whites as attackers and non- whites, as victims. I have yet to see serious discussion about, say, Barbary Piracy and the horrors it caused for hundreds of years.

Fortunately while in School in OC in then50's and 60's, I did learn about things like this including the Trail of Tears. Despicable, yes, but not limited to whites. Many Indian tribes abandoned their aged when they were unable to do anything the leaders thought worthwhile. Left in the dust to die of thirst or get eaten. Many tribes were at war constantly and would have been happy to eliminate the other tribe. This is not an ethnic thing, but a human one.

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by expatCA

Fortunately while in School in OC in then50's and 60's, I did learn about things like this including the Trail of Tears. Despicable, yes, but not limited to whites. Many Indian tribes abandoned their aged when they were unable to do anything the leaders thought worthwhile. Left in the dust to die of thirst or get eaten. Many tribes were at war constantly and would have been happy to eliminate the other tribe. This is not an ethnic thing, but a human one.

This.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by expatCA

Fortunately while in School in OC in then50's and 60's, I did learn about things like this including the Trail of Tears. Despicable, yes, but not limited to whites. Many Indian tribes abandoned their aged when they were unable to do anything the leaders thought worthwhile. Left in the dust to die of thirst or get eaten. Many tribes were at war constantly and would have been happy to eliminate the other tribe. This is not an ethnic thing, but a human one.

Excuse me for pointing out that you have just contributed one of the most remarkable examples of stupid false equivalency in the history of CDF. Abandoning their aged? Abandoning? Please educate the readers here on which tribes did that ... other than in the course of survival priorities under stressful conditions (in which circumstances the "aged" sacrificed themselves willingly, btw). Which isn't in anyway equivalent to the national and state governments commiting willfully deliberate, strategically designed and executed genocide of entire peoples.

And to what extent can you compare warring tribes territorially attacking each other on equally primitive terms - to the genocide by modern (by comparison) troops equipped with advanced technology weaponry and limitless supplies against primitives?

And, finally, who here has presented any of this thread as a referendum on "whites"? ... Even though it is well documented historical fact that whites did this, there's been no parallel inference drawn to the white races being evil.

Just an interesting history lesson folks.

[majoun]

Originally Posted by streetscenes

Nonsense. The 60,000 homeless people in LA are not going to wipe out the 4 million other people.

And the "vigilantes and thugs who wiped out the indigenous" were the state and federal government.

It doesn't take that many people to conduct a campaign of violence against the population at large - is everyone forgetting April 1992?

[LuvSouthOC]

War Before Civilization: The Myth of the Peaceful Savage by anthropologist Lawrence Keeley.

Also on point:

Constant Battles: The Myth of the Peaceful, Noble Savage by Steven LeBlanc.