(Article) A ‘New California’ Movement Wants To Form A 51st State (house, college)

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by phantompilot

No, you do NOT need an address, you do NOT need a DL, and you do NOT need to provide a social. Here's the form, you can see for yourself. You can say you don't have an address, you don't have ID, and you don't have a social. And you can complete the entire form. BAM!
I will be awaiting your retraction.
https://covr.sos.ca.gov/
Actually you don't even need the address either.
You just go to the form online and fill it out....no proof of citizenship, no address, no social. You can provide an email address and receive your notifications electronically. Easy peasy, lemon squeezy.

Or you could have actually looked it up...

If you don't provide ID #, SSN or another acceptable form of identification or address, you must present it at the polling place the first time you vote:

http://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/regu...ays_3_3_06.pdf

That process is identical to a number of other states such as Nevada, Oregon, etc

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/thoug...b_1897607.html

[Beardown91737]

Of course it will work.

New California can stop the flow of water from Arizona to Hippie California, and create toll roads which have a higher price for non-residents. It can also tax transmission of electricity which passes through the state without being used.

You will pay a steep price for housing prisoners in our state. Your crazy train will have to be cancelled, which will leave our Central Valley with the nicest 30 miles of low speed rail track in the world, but that is how it was going to end regardless of the split.

Originally Posted by Texamichiforniasota

Hahaha. I love how 'New California' is mostly the super poor parts of the state, but then they threw in Santa Clara, Contra Costa, Orange, Sonoma, and San Diego counties to New California so it isn't poorer than West Virginia. Those counties definitely have more in common both politically and economically with coastal, urban California than they do with Lake, Fresno, Kern, Shasta, or Imperial Counties. Sonoma, Santa Clara, and Contra Costa are all very liberal. San Diego and Orange were both previously conservative but are moderate now, with a slight liberal lean in San Diego County and a slight conservative lean in Orange County. This proposal is DOA.

Originally Posted by sav858

umm illegal aliens can't vote

You probably think dead people can't vote. People from Chicago know otherwise.

Originally Posted by Hulsker 1856

Then you should brush up on how new states are created - and how rare it is for a new state to be carved out of another state. There's a reason for that. Per the Constitution, that can only happen with the consent of the state (in this case, California) and Congress.

Good luck with that...

By the way, anyone else notice that 'New California' closely resembles 'Freeloading California'?




https://www.mercurynews.com/2010/06/...s-can-receive/

I guess they're counting on largesse from Orange County and San Diego County keeping the rest of Freeloaderstan afloat (sorry, those four counties along the Nevada border have fewer than 550,000 people combined, and that's not gonna cut it).

Such confusion about "freeloading". There is infrastructure which is used for commerce and getting goods to market, that runs through sparsely populated areas. However, there are also human users of public benefits which will quickly migrate to Hippie California when New California enacts programs which are in line with the other 50 states.

Yes I said "other 50". The northern counties will probably revive the State of Jefferson and we will see Oregon and Washington split as well.

[tstieber]

Under this proposal, New California would own all of California's major water sources. There aren't nearly enough reservoirs in the urban coastal strip to support its own needs. Major wrinkle.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by Beardown91737

Of course it will work.

New California can stop the flow of water from Arizona to Hippie California, and create toll roads which have a higher price for non-residents. It can also tax transmission of electricity which passes through the state without being used.

You will pay a steep price for housing prisoners in our state. Your crazy train will have to be cancelled, which will leave our Central Valley with the nicest 30 miles of low speed rail track in the world, but that is how it was going to end regardless of the split.




You probably think dead people can't vote. People from Chicago know otherwise.


Such confusion about "freeloading". There is infrastructure which is used for commerce and getting goods to market, that runs through sparsely populated areas. However, there are also human users of public benefits which will quickly migrate to Hippie California when New California enacts programs which are in line with the other 50 states.

Yes I said "other 50". The northern counties will probably revive the State of Jefferson and we will see Oregon and Washington split as well.

Truth.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by tstieber

Under this proposal, New California would own all of California's major water sources. There aren't nearly enough reservoirs in the urban coastal strip to support its own needs. Major wrinkle.

“New” California would have more than sufficient wealth to solve any water issues.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

“New” California would have more than sufficient wealth to solve any water issues.

I think you meant Old California (which would be the state left on the coastline), and no they wouldn't.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

I think you meant Old California (which would be the state left on the coastline), and no they wouldn't.

Yeah, “Old California” would have the wealth to solve any water problem. So many are so sure that people hungry for revenue won't negotiate whatever needs to be negotiated, eh? You're no business entrepreneur, as you say, if you believe that, hoss.

[CaliRestoration]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Yeah, “Old California” would have the wealth to solve any water problem. So many are so sure that people hungry for revenue won't negotiate whatever needs to be negotiated, eh? You're no business entrepreneur, as you say, if you believe that, hoss.

People would sell water to old California for sure. But Old California would wouldn't have the money to do that and satisfy all the other financial liabilities it would have.

[phantompilot]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Or you could have actually looked it up...

If you don't provide ID #, SSN or another acceptable form of identification or address, you must present it at the polling place the first time you vote:

http://elections.cdn.sos.ca.gov/regu...ays_3_3_06.pdf

That process is identical to a number of other states such as Nevada, Oregon, etc

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/thoug...b_1897607.html

So my response is that when it says: ) This section shall apply in all instances where voters and new registrants are required by the federal
Help America Vote Act of 2002 (Pub. L. 107-252, 116 Stat. 1666, 42 U.S.C. 15483) to prove residency or
present documents to establish identity. "

What are those instances? How do you know this applies? They don't say, so it might not apply at all.

BTW the documents in 2 are easy to produce fraudulently and lots of people can do that.

Also do any of these requirements apply if you DO provide an address and then vote by mail? That isn't addressed anywhere in this text.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by CaliRestoration

People would sell water to old California for sure. But Old California would wouldn't have the money to do that and satisfy all the other financial liabilities it would have.

You theorize that based on what knowledge / calculations of what unknown “financial liabilities”? And based on what knowledge of New California's desires and needs? ... especially what needs Old California could ameliorate for New California's benefits?

Countries around the globe conduct cross-border business and solve problems and needs through negotiated symbiotic agreements. New and Old California would be different why?