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Old 06-07-2018, 09:00 AM
 
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Ever wonder why CA does not require for new housing and allow for older houses, a catch basin (Very large) to collect rain water, treat with filters and use IN the house. This is done for example in New Zealand. The State requires so many things but in a State with major water issues they do so very little to increase the supply. Rather just raise prices while not really limiting use. Imagine of every water meter stopped your flow of water each day you reached a limit and .. regardless of how rich you were..
I'm not sure that collecting rainwater will ever be a really great option for California. Our rainfall patterns are too seasonal, with a distinct rainy season and dry season, which means that collecting it during the winter isn't that helpful because you don't need it. Then, in the summer, when you do need it, you use it all up quickly, and it doesn't replenish for 5 months. Collecting rainwater is really most effective in climates where rainfall is fairly evenly distributed throughout the year, and shorter periods of drought occur. What would make a massive difference, however is to increase the amount of water recycling.
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Old 06-07-2018, 05:48 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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I'm not sure that collecting rainwater will ever be a really great option for California. Our rainfall patterns are too seasonal, with a distinct rainy season and dry season, which means that collecting it during the winter isn't that helpful because you don't need it. Then, in the summer, when you do need it, you use it all up quickly, and it doesn't replenish for 5 months. Collecting rainwater is really most effective in climates where rainfall is fairly evenly distributed throughout the year, and shorter periods of drought occur. What would make a massive difference, however is to increase the amount of water recycling.
Water recycling is already happening in water districts across the arid West. San Diego has a program that sends treated waste water back through the system, for use at home, and it's not just for watering the yard or flushing toilets. it's a program called "Toilet To Tap", and the local water utility ran ads on TV showing people drinking the waste water out of clear glasses. (San Diego's only other water supply comes from the Arizona border, piped from the Colorado River.)

Other municipalities send their treated waste water downstream, for the next municipality to use for domestic consumption, as well as industrial and other uses. Some cities in New Mexico provide rebates for people who install plumbing that channels dirty laundry water for use in toilets. There's a fair amount of this kind of thing that's going on under the public radar.
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Old 06-07-2018, 06:38 PM
 
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Water recycling is already happening in water districts across the arid West. San Diego has a program that sends treated waste water back through the system, for use at home, and it's not just for watering the yard or flushing toilets. it's a program called "Toilet To Tap", and the local water utility ran ads on TV showing people drinking the waste water out of clear glasses. (San Diego's only other water supply comes from the Arizona border, piped from the Colorado River.)

Other municipalities send their treated waste water downstream, for the next municipality to use for domestic consumption, as well as industrial and other uses. Some cities in New Mexico provide rebates for people who install plumbing that channels dirty laundry water for use in toilets. There's a fair amount of this kind of thing that's going on under the public radar.
I live in San Diego and am aware of the program, although the name "Toilet to Tap" was so off-putting to people that they've changed it to something more palatable. I believe there are also efforts underway to do more and more non-potable recycled water for landscaping only (purple pipes mark those lines), but it's a long ways off.

San Diego, in addition to Colorado River water, also gets water from Lake Oroville in Northern California as well as the new desalinization plant off the coast.
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Old 06-09-2018, 04:47 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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Watching TV news last night, an official from the city of Redding claims that while the water used per household will go down with these laws, the cost of maintaining the pipes etc. is the same. Therefore they will raise the rates on everyone.
Pay more, get less. The Democrats once again showing their true colors.
Not sure what this had to do with Democrats.

Californians Are Struggling to Pay for Rising Water Rates: https://www.newsdeeply.com/water/art...ng-water-rates

Water Rates | California Water Association
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Old 06-09-2018, 04:59 PM
 
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I live in San Diego and am aware of the program, although the name "Toilet to Tap" was so off-putting to people that they've changed it to something more palatable. I believe there are also efforts underway to do more and more non-potable recycled water for landscaping only (purple pipes mark those lines), but it's a long ways off.

San Diego, in addition to Colorado River water, also gets water from Lake Oroville in Northern California as well as the new desalinization plant off the coast.
Thanks for the update. The documentary I saw, said that they named it "Toilet to Tap" in order to get the point across that it was safe drinking water. I'm glad the public was able to get it changed. I think recycled waste water should only be used for non-drinking water, like flushing, laundry washing, limited yard watering, industrial uses. Australia has two plumbing systems going to every house, I've read; fresh water for drinking, cooking and bathing, and recycled water for everything else. They built that infrastructure generations ago.
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Old 06-09-2018, 05:02 PM
 
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Watching TV news last night, an official from the city of Redding claims that while the water used per household will go down with these laws, the cost of maintaining the pipes etc. is the same. Therefore they will raise the rates on everyone.
Pay more, get less. The Democrats once again showing their true colors.
Shower twice a week. Take your clothes to the laundromat - if this works for the proletariat it's good for everybody.
Right, because the water scarcity was brought about by shamans working for the Dems, so they could raise rates? The infrastructure still has to be paid for. Isn't your mayor a Repub, anyway? What's going on up there? lol

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Old 06-09-2018, 05:10 PM
 
Location: So Ca
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Right, because the water scarcity was brought about by shamans working for the Dems, so they could raise rates?
You have got to be joking.

Water use climbs in California enclaves as drought returns: https://www.scpr.org/news/2018/02/15...es-as-drought/

Jay Famiglietti, hydrologist and senior water scientist at the NASA jet propulsion laboratory, joins Chris Hayes to discuss what the possible solutions are to alleviate California’s water shortage: https://www.nbcnews.com/dateline/vid...r-488237123861

State of drought in California as of June 5, 2018: https://www.drought.gov/drought/states/california
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Old 06-09-2018, 05:20 PM
 
Location: Laguna Niguel, Orange County CA
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Right, because the water scarcity was brought about by shamans working for the Dems, so they could raise rates? The infrastructure still has to be paid for.
And it must also be prioritized for payment. That is hard to do when the Sacramento regressives spend on medical care for illegals, trains to nowhere, etc. We need reservoirs and desal (supply), not more regressive pushes to simply reduce consumption still more.
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Old 06-09-2018, 05:23 PM
 
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You have got to be joking.

Water use climbs in California enclaves as drought returns: https://www.scpr.org/news/2018/02/15...es-as-drought/

Jay Famiglietti, hydrologist and senior water scientist at the NASA jet propulsion laboratory, joins Chris Hayes to discuss what the possible solutions are to alleviate California’s water shortage: https://www.nbcnews.com/dateline/vid...r-488237123861

State of drought in California as of June 5, 2018: https://www.drought.gov/drought/states/california
lol. We really need a "sarcasm" emoticon. I thought it was obvious...
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Old 06-09-2018, 05:29 PM
 
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And it must also be prioritized for payment. That is hard to do when the Sacramento regressives spend on medical care for illegals, trains to nowhere, etc. We need reservoirs and desal (supply), not more regressive pushes to simply reduce consumption still more.
Agreed, definitely, w/increasing capacity, as well as decreasing consumption. Redding doesn't really have the option to do desal, though.
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