Why did the Republican Party get so small in California? (Arnold: legal, beach)

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by likealady

I cannot check any of those boxes and have never benefitted from government programs (never apply for unemployment or anything, that's why I save my money). I think government handouts should be a last resort and temporary (except for very specific circumstances).

Our government is hella inefficient and wasteful. I'm registered Republican but skew libertarian. I'm also a young woman who believes in personal responsibility. U mad?

I too love libertarian ideals of personal responsibility ... the world would be such a remarkably, wonderfully different place wouldn’t it!

Here’s the thing, and it’s the same problem I have with the lovely ideals of liberals: the world of homo sapiens don’t work like that. 10,000 years of human history since we left the caves proves it. If we were capable of such lofty behavior, we’d a done it by now ... and never have for more than a minute in larger societies beyond primitive. (Some primitive people that still remain uncontacted, or nearly so, do live in responsible egalitarian bliss. But no groups larger than a few hundred members, living without any modernity.)

You can hold your breath and believe in the transcendence of our remarkable traits and capacities for rational thought, empathy, and responsibility till you are blue in the face and pass out.

But when you wake up you’ll find us as we also are: opportunistic and ready in a heartbeat to fall back on our most primal, reptilian nature.

Enjoy the journey!

[semispherical]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

OC ... you have nearly as many posts in nearly the same time frame as me ... so your protest about your important job limiting your posting opportunities is, well, silly.

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Meanwhile, is there any question left as to why the Republican party is deteriorated to a point of no-return in this state?

Thank you, Mutt!

[Tulemutt]

And here is a macrocosm/microcosm summary in answer to the thread subject question

Trump, the Republican congressional leadership, and most of the conservative-media infrastructure have all made clear that they see no need for a course correction after the midterms, even though Democrats won more than 53 percent of the total popular vote in House elections. That’s a larger share than Democrats have captured in any election since 1988, when most southerners still voted Democratic—or than the GOP has attracted since 1946.

... which continues with a prescient view of the state’s GOP future.

Instead, the dominant reflex across the GOP this month has been to minimize the magnitude—and, equally important, the predictability—of the backlash against Trump that fueled Democratic gains in the House, state legislatures, and governors’ mansions. The party is steaming full speed ahead down the Trump track.

... doing the absurd dance of:

Trump is forcing the GOP to trade increased opposition among groups that are growing in society (minorities, Millennials, and white-collar whites, especially in metropolitan areas) for enhanced support among groups that are shrinking (especially non-college-educated and rural whites.)

https://www.theatlantic.com/amp/article/576850/

It is, indeed, time past for - as one contributor to this thread previously suggested - a completely new, third party to emerge in the state if there is to ever be any future bi-partisan balance.

Because it sure ain’t gonna come from the GOP.

Thank you Donald for shooting the dying elephant.

[ysr_racer]

If you can't get people to embrace your politics, bring in more people that will (legal or otherwise).

Once you're dependant on the government for everything, you'll never vote them out (which is exactly the idea behind all this immigration).

If democrats really wanted to help people from xyz country, they'd be crying to help xyz country with their infrastructure, their education, their medical facilities. Nope, just easier to import them here, and let them vote for their saviors.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by ysr_racer

If you can't get people to embrace your politics, bring in more people that will (legal or otherwise).

Once you're dependant on the government for everything, you'll never vote them out (which is exactly the idea behind all this immigration).

If democrats really wanted to help people from xyz country, they'd be crying to help xyz country with their infrastructure, their education, their medical facilities. Nope, just easier to import them here, and let them vote for their saviors.

Oh horse puckey.

If you think this country is full of graft, corruption, and just plain phenomenal waste / inefficiency (and it is, all of that ... like pretty much everywhere you find humans living together in large societies) ... then the idea of financing nation-building in Banana Republics should keep you sitting on the toilet day and night.

It IS the right idea (no pun intended) to support foreign development rather than open immigration. But easier said than done.

[silverkris]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Oh horse puckey.

If you think this country is full of graft, corruption, and just plain phenomenal waste / inefficiency (and it is, all of that ... like pretty much everywhere you find humans living together in large societies) ... then the idea of financing nation-building in Banana Republics should keep you sitting on the toilet day and night.

It IS the right idea (no pun intended) to support foreign development rather than open immigration. But easier said than done.

It's like this ---- a lot of folks who wail and get meltdowns about immigrants coming from countries south of the border (and elsewhere) also support officials who promote policies destabilizing those countries - and spur folks to flee for their safety and well-being.

As an immigrant from Central America would say, "We're over here because you're over there."

[silverkris]

Originally Posted by Count David

Correct.

Texas' Latinos are mostly Mexican, just like California. And the heavily Latino areas in Texas are much more Democratic than similar areas in California. Like I said, gerrymandering.

Also low voter turnout and higher barriers to voter registration are also present in Texas.

[Finper]

I gotta get out of this state....

[kttam186290]

Originally Posted by ysr_racer

If you can't get people to embrace your politics, bring in more people that will (legal or otherwise).

Once you're dependant on the government for everything, you'll never vote them out (which is exactly the idea behind all this immigration).

If democrats really wanted to help people from xyz country, they'd be crying to help xyz country with their infrastructure, their education, their medical facilities. Nope, just easier to import them here, and let them vote for their saviors.

Please explain, then, why immigrants were coming into the US at a much greater clip when George W. Bush was president, than they did when Obama was president?

George W. Bush even spoke Spanish, as a wink-and-a-nod, at many of his rallies.

You see, now that these immigrants are here and established, they realize that a simple wink-and-a-nod isn't going to pay the bills, keep them employed, send their kids to college or trade school or provide them with affordable medical coverage.

Thus, they're now left to turn to the party that will provide those things.

It's the same reason you see so many 3rd and 4th generation Cuban Americans voting Democratic too.

Merely coming over on a rickety boat and being given a hug by the Florida GOP delegation after reaching the beach isn't enough to survive.

[silverkris]

Originally Posted by kttam186290

Thus, they're now left to turn to the party that will provide those things.

It's the same reason you see so many 3rd and 4th generation Cuban Americans voting Democratic too.

Merely coming over on a rickety boat and being given a hug by the GOP delegation in Florida isn't enough to survive.

The Cuban American 1st generation were often motivated by anti-Communism and the trauma of leaving their homelands. That doesn't quite apply to successive generations.

In California, the equivalent are Vietnamese Americans. The younger generation is trending more Democratic for the same reasons.