California again rated #1 (school, live, costs)

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by LuvSouthOC

And the implication is: No worries, California's ignoramuses will all up end being "self taught" and will thus all end up productive, fully reaching their societal potential including maximize their earning capacity, etc. Yeah, uh huh.

No. The implication is: this thread is premised on a bulltweet specious statistic that is ultimately meaningless. The state already is, and long has been, the most productive state in the union.

[Pyramidsurf]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Contemporary formal education is equivalent to training rats to navigate a maze for a food reward. And our world’s cultural evolution is showing this self-indulgent, self-destructive stupidity.

So no, not everyone agrees formal education is an equalizer to anything approximating sanity.

Right .

Let me know how it works when you get a Dr. who didn't go to med school diagnose you or a "self-educated" engineer design your house.

Education is important. Anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves.

[AndyChrono]

CA has been dead last or close to last in this regard for many years. Playing with the tables a bit we can see that:

- Non-Hispanic Whites, Blacks, and Asians in CA all score higher than the national average in both High School and College degrees.

- Pacific Islander and Two or More mixed race are roughly at the national average.

- Native American and Latinos are below the national average.

Thus, it looks like it's ultimately an immigration issue with ESL students skewing the average. If you need further evidence of this, Texas is second to last with a mere 0.3% higher High School graduation rate (and much lower college graduate score), and not surprisingly it also has a lot of immigrants.

[Finper]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

The better question is: why would anyone try to draw any negative parallels with this specious statistic?

As for “whataboutism”: are you suggesting my points re: character, innate intelligence, honesty, integrity, courage are less worthy than diplomas? The OP’s want to make an issue about formal education having value ... and I just pointed to higher values that can’t be similarly quantified.

You can tell that to everyone interviewing you for a job. Guaranteed your not getting the job

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Pyramidsurf

Right .

Let me know how it works when you get a Dr. who didn't go to med school diagnose you or a "self-educated" engineer design your house.

Education is important. Anyone who says otherwise is lying to themselves.

I didn’t say or suggest there aren’t valuable elements attainable in modern educational systems. I point out that formal education is substantially mechanized and oriented toward prescriptive, rote acquisition of information .... which information, especially in this era, is readily available regardless of schooling.

Thus, this thread topic is speciously misleading.

Interestingly, with regard to diagnosing health problems, Chinese and East Indian traditional practitioners have been solving most non-communicable disease diagnoses brought to them for thousands of years. Not many patients follow the dietary and other corrective advice - because it involves effort and sacrifice of indulgent habits ... but the systems are remarkable ... and didn’t develop with our modern “curriculums”.

Some of the most important advances in developing treatments for communicable diseases were the research and discoveries and developments in vaccines ... well prior to our contemporary educational curriculums.

Designing houses doesn’t require engineering degrees. I have designed and built several non-prescriptive houses and I am a high school dropout. My plans were reviewed by engineer examiners and had very few mark-ups for changes to conform to current codes.

The take away isn’t that education is without potential value ... the truth is, it’s not a requirement for being knowledgeable, creative, or expert in any field. Therefore, this thread’s topical implication is a load of crap.

To say nothing of Andy Chrono’s expose’. Above.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Finper

You can tell that to everyone interviewing you for a job. Guaranteed your not getting the job

Why would I interview for a job? I was successfully self-employed. No need to run an employer’s maze for my little treats.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Pyramidsurf

Does that make it better that the state's schools are doing terrible?

Terribly. It's an adverb.

And the thread is not about the quality of public schools in California. It's about the number of people who haven't finished ninth grade.

[Tulemutt]

I’m not saying schooling is worthless. Not saying people shouldn’t go to school. Just that this thread is nothing more than specious, trolling bulls*** to deprecate the state for misguided personal entertainment.

[TCROX]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

And the thread is not about the quality of public schools in California. It's about the number of people who haven't finished ninth grade.

True that,...AND they are NEVER able to hide it

[LuvSouthOC]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Terribly. It's an adverb.

And the thread is not about the quality of public schools in California. It's about the number of people who haven't finished ninth grade.

Of which there are so so many.

Explanation: Immigration.


Then we need to listen to Libs lib-on about income and wealth disparities when we have heeps of people lacking in schooling and others with tons of PHDs, JDs, etc.