States of California V. Huntington Beach

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by TacoSoup

I’m guessing you’re not too familiar with how beach real estate works. A renovated old unit 1 block from the beach will always be worth more than a new one 1 mile from it. Heck it doesn’t even need to be renovated. The costal strip is unlike any other piece of property, always has been around here.

Speak for your own metro. While the quality of life is still very high in San Diego, it has gone down with increased traffic, crowding at the beach, parks, etc since the 1980’s when I was a kid. Going off what I can relate to as an adult it gotten much worse in the last 20 years. I don’t know who would say it hasn’t except for large land owners and developers.

And people who do not care about crowding, they just want to live in CA regardless of the COL and QOL

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by expatCA

And people who do not care about crowding, they just want to live in CA regardless of the COL and QOL

California isn't just some state, the non desert areas are the only part of the entire country with a Mediterranean climate, so there is no equivalent unless you want to move to Southern Europe, Chile, western South Africa or western Australia

[RMESMH]

Originally Posted by kttam186290

Oh, you mean...shipping them to remote towns on the edge of the LA Metropolitan Area where there are few jobs and limited access to a limited number of services?

I don't buy it.

You have plenty of room and land in Orange County and you have the former El Toro Marine Base that could be utilized for this purpose. You're simply choosing not to because you somehow think you are too elite to have to deal with an issue like homelessness. The last thing they need in Palmdale or Victorville, or any other place, is to be burdened with problems that you -- in your myopic little minds -- think you're "too good" to deal with!

It may suprise you to know that there are many people who work hard and pay taxes in the High Desert, and many who are also working to deal with the homeless issues already existing in those areas.

Furthermore, the homeless aren't chattel to be picked up and carted from one place to another. Most of the homeless in an area have roots or connections to the areas they are homeless in.

The Orange County homeless are an Orange County responsibility, not anyone else's! Although, it is a mute point now and you will be held to the same standards as other communities when it comes to dealing with your own problems. This lawsuit by the State is just the beginning.

Moot point is correct, not mute point.

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

California isn't just some state, the non desert areas are the only part of the entire country with a Mediterranean climate, so there is no equivalent unless you want to move to Southern Europe, Chile, western South Africa or western Australia

That does not change the reality that the more people who come, the lower the QOL becomes and the worse the COL becomes. Yes the weather is probably the best in the Country year round, though not necessarily every day and in every part of the State. People have been enjoying the other parts of the Country for centuries, so it isn't the "best" place it is just a nice place. Best is dependent on far more than weather.

[brown_dog_us]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

It makes older more run down units drop in price. No one says the new units will be cheap, but it causes older units to drop in price.

Umm, that's not how it works.

Let's say the janky apartment in HB is currently 2 bedrooms for $2k a month. The new build will be expensive because the land is already built on and generating $'s. So, the developer will have to go "luxury" with all the luxury amenities, so a 2 bedroom will be $4000. All of this is happening because there is so much demand. Right? Well, those new units sell to a totally different customer because nobody is living in a run down nasty apartment when they can afford better. Next thing is the janky apartment gets bought and renovated because paint+granite+stainless steel+flooring=$3k a month. We call this lipstick on a pig. This happens in high demand areas all the time.

The solution is to build on undeveloped land and have people commute in. Yes, sprawl. But what if the sprawl was transit based instead of cars? How about Palmdale? Yeah, I don't want to live in Palmdale either, but you can buy a $250k house ($1400 payment) within walking distance of the train station. Those train tracks right there in Palmdale go straight to downtown LA. It's called the Antelope Valley Line. The problem is the train is insanely slow, but what if we upgraded the train and made it express? It's easily a 1 hour train ride! A serious drop in emissions compared to adding in HB, affordability, and it doesn't **** everyone off. It's like a no brainer! Unless you're the City of LA or a LA developer because that type of competition keeps prices down.

btw, where is this dense place that is more affordable than Palmdale?

[Marv1985]

How would you upgrade the Antelope Valley Line so that it COULD run from Palmdale to DTLA in 1 hour?


Methinks that the topography along the route would make HSR a la Europe or Japan nothing more than a pipe dream given that the top speed is under 80 MPH IIRC.

[FirebirdCamaro1220]

Originally Posted by brown_dog_us

Umm, that's not how it works.

Let's say the janky apartment in HB is currently 2 bedrooms for $2k a month. The new build will be expensive because the land is already built on and generating $'s. So, the developer will have to go "luxury" with all the luxury amenities, so a 2 bedroom will be $4000. All of this is happening because there is so much demand. Right? Well, those new units sell to a totally different customer because nobody is living in a run down nasty apartment when they can afford better. Next thing is the janky apartment gets bought and renovated because paint+granite+stainless steel+flooring=$3k a month. We call this lipstick on a pig. This happens in high demand areas all the time.

The solution is to build on undeveloped land and have people commute in. Yes, sprawl. But what if the sprawl was transit based instead of cars? How about Palmdale? Yeah, I don't want to live in Palmdale either, but you can buy a $250k house ($1400 payment) within walking distance of the train station. Those train tracks right there in Palmdale go straight to downtown LA. It's called the Antelope Valley Line. The problem is the train is insanely slow, but what if we upgraded the train and made it express? It's easily a 1 hour train ride! A serious drop in emissions compared to adding in HB, affordability, and it doesn't **** everyone off. It's like a no brainer! Unless you're the City of LA or a LA developer because that type of competition keeps prices down.

btw, where is this dense place that is more affordable than Palmdale?

Sprawl is not the solution. Or at least not the total solution. We have finally learned that here in Phoenix of all places (the former poster child for sprawl), where density in the city is increasing rapidly

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by FirebirdCamaro1220

Sprawl is not the solution. Or at least not the total solution. We have finally learned that here in Phoenix of all places (the former poster child for sprawl), where density in the city is increasing rapidly

Both have a place. The major drive for density would be a central location for work, shopping, etc. That does not exist in most places. Building up where people have to leave the area for work, is the problem and mass transportation in the majority of areas is virtually impossible due to the huge financial cost to buy land, build, acquire and maintain all the transportation vehicles and equipment needed.

[brown_dog_us]

Originally Posted by Marv201

How would you upgrade the Antelope Valley Line so that it COULD run from Palmdale to DTLA in 1 hour?


Methinks that the topography along the route would make HSR a la Europe or Japan nothing more than a pipe dream given that the top speed is under 80 MPH IIRC.

It's 60 miles so it's doable in one hour. Sure there would need to be upgrades to the track and trains, but it wouldn't cost as much as most LA transit projects.