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Old 04-02-2019, 01:28 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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I'm not surprised that's the conclusion you came up with.
I’m not surprised you’re not surprised ...
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Old 04-02-2019, 01:34 PM
 
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Public employees: ka ching

Public: f*cked again
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Old 04-03-2019, 10:04 AM
 
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Default California, Canada's secret 11th province!

People say Canada has higher taxes, higher cost of living, more liberal politics, and more overcrowded cities compared to the United States.

Wait... did I say Canada or California?

What people miss is that the U.S. has far more regional variation than Canada does, and that a certain state in the U.S. (California) has taxes, cost of living, liberal politics, and overcrowded cities that rival and sometimes even exceed Canada.

What people also miss is the fact that while Canada does have single-payer healthcare, and California doesn't, the only reason why California doesn't is because the U.S. federal government, which is far more conservative than California, has the final authority in many matters (including healthcare) and would thwart any attempt by California for single-payer healthcare.

Sales taxes in many Canadian cities approach 15%. But to be fair, property taxes in Canadian cities are even lower than those in California, with property taxes in Vancouver, B.C. being a mere 0.33%.

Oh, and real estate in Los Angeles is by far more expensive than real estate in Toronto.

Don't forget California has the highest state income tax in the country and the highest gas prices in the country (except for maybe Hawaii, but even then it's really only by two cents.) In fact, our gas prices are more comparable to Canada than they are to Texas.

Nor can we forget the sky high car ownership costs in California compared to the rest of the country. Just be glad it's not Singapore, where used Corollas go for $100,000 USD. (But wait, Singaporeans don't need cars because they can just ride the dirt-cheap, world-class subway...something we don't have in California!)

Canadian cities like Toronto or Vancouver are incredibly compact and dense, largely because of stringent environmental and zoning restrictions that drive up the price of housing as well...wait, did I say Toronto and Vancouver, or did I mean San Francisco and Los Angeles? On Google Maps, look at the suburbs of Toronto (Markham, for example). You'll notice it's much denser than the suburbs of a comparable American city, like Chicago. BUT the suburbs of Los Angeles (like Irvine) are far denser than the suburbs of Chicago and neck-to-neck, density-wise, to Markham.

Concerning politics, at least Canada elected Stephen Harper, 2006-2015. Stephen Harper would be a Chris Christie Republican if plopped in America. I'm not so sure if Arnold Schwarzenegger is even as conservative as Chris Christie, or that Chris Christie could even win in California!
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Old 04-03-2019, 10:27 AM
 
Location: Tulare County, Ca
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My town went up from 8.25 to 9.25 putting it as the highest in the county. Seems odd, I would have thought Visalia or Tulare would have been the highest.


TULARE CO. 7.75%City of Dinuba 8.50%City of Farmersville 8.75% City of Lindsay 8.75% City of Porterville 9.25% City of Tulare 8.25%City of Visalia 8.50% City of Woodlake 8.75%
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Old 04-03-2019, 12:41 PM
 
Location: Vancouver
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People say Canada has higher taxes, higher cost of living, more liberal politics, and more overcrowded cities compared to the United States.

Wait... did I say Canada or California?

What people miss is that the U.S. has far more regional variation than Canada does, and that a certain state in the U.S. (California) has taxes, cost of living, liberal politics, and overcrowded cities that rival and sometimes even exceed Canada.

What people also miss is the fact that while Canada does have single-payer healthcare, and California doesn't, the only reason why California doesn't is because the U.S. federal government, which is far more conservative than California, has the final authority in many matters (including healthcare) and would thwart any attempt by California for single-payer healthcare.

Sales taxes in many Canadian cities approach 15%. But to be fair, property taxes in Canadian cities are even lower than those in California, with property taxes in Vancouver, B.C. being a mere 0.33%.

Oh, and real estate in Los Angeles is by far more expensive than real estate in Toronto.

Don't forget California has the highest state income tax in the country and the highest gas prices in the country (except for maybe Hawaii, but even then it's really only by two cents.) In fact, our gas prices are more comparable to Canada than they are to Texas.

Nor can we forget the sky high car ownership costs in California compared to the rest of the country. Just be glad it's not Singapore, where used Corollas go for $100,000 USD. (But wait, Singaporeans don't need cars because they can just ride the dirt-cheap, world-class subway...something we don't have in California!)

Canadian cities like Toronto or Vancouver are incredibly compact and dense, largely because of stringent environmental and zoning restrictions that drive up the price of housing as well...wait, did I say Toronto and Vancouver, or did I mean San Francisco and Los Angeles? On Google Maps, look at the suburbs of Toronto (Markham, for example). You'll notice it's much denser than the suburbs of a comparable American city, like Chicago. BUT the suburbs of Los Angeles (like Irvine) are far denser than the suburbs of Chicago and neck-to-neck, density-wise, to Markham.

Concerning politics, at least Canada elected Stephen Harper, 2006-2015. Stephen Harper would be a Chris Christie Republican if plopped in America. I'm not so sure if Arnold Schwarzenegger is even as conservative as Chris Christie, or that Chris Christie could even win in California!
More overcrowded cities? Explain please.

Sales taxes aren't set by the city in Canada, they are set by the province. Sales tax is non- existent in Alberta, and is 7 percent here in BC. Where you get higher numbers is in the five provinces where they have merged the GST with the PST and created an HST. In the other five provinces the GST and PST are still separate, meaning that you only pay the PST on items that should have it, and GST only on the items that should have it. So sometimes the tax in BC is 7 percent, sometimes 5 percent ( GST ) and sometimes 12 percent.
Comparing sales taxes thought just by numbers is faulty. You also have to look at WHAT Is taxed, and what is not in each region.
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Old 04-03-2019, 03:18 PM
 
Location: Oroville, California
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We voted to raise the sales tax a percent in Oroville because our municipality has been so cash strapped since 2008 and its hurting the ability to provide proper police and fire protection. Its a poorer city with homes that are lower assessed in value. Just not as much revenue as wealthier places on the coast. BTW, this is a fairly conservative and Republican area. Sometimes you have to raise taxes a bit to provide vital services.
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Old 04-03-2019, 05:18 PM
 
Location: Ca expat loving Idaho
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We voted to raise the sales tax a percent in Oroville because our municipality has been so cash strapped since 2008 and its hurting the ability to provide proper police and fire protection. Its a poorer city with homes that are lower assessed in value. Just not as much revenue as wealthier places on the coast. BTW, this is a fairly conservative and Republican area. Sometimes you have to raise taxes a bit to provide vital services.
And pay their fat pensions. I hope this raised tax actually helps your city
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Old 04-03-2019, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Yucaipa, California
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The public employees (past & present) are very grateful for the dummies who voted (or approve) to raise the city sales tax. If it was in my city I would just shop elsewhere. Those big ticket items like electronics & cars are going to hurt the consumer but of course not the local govt. GREED !!
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Old 04-03-2019, 09:03 PM
 
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It's getting really scary to live here, Democrats in full control with a absolute Communist governor.
But even Bakersfield is on the list. The Bakersfield city sales tax increase passed by the slimmest of margins. Less than 100 votes.
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Old 04-04-2019, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Riverside Ca
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i didnt find our city..so thats good news

id rather prefer sales tax to go up than property tax or income tax

for sales tax, just dont shop and you dont pay the tax..simple as that
Nah I rather everyone pay for what they consume.
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