When is it ever enough? (Democrats/taxes) (school district, living)

[EA]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Lmfao ... and this, from you, was?

That is NOT an ad hominem attack....

Originally Posted by expatCA

Perhaps unsurprisingly, a January 2019 survey by Edelman Intelligence found that 53% of California residents are thinking about leaving the state to escape the high costs.





https://moneywise.com/a/ch-b/the-wor..._april2019/p-6

I'm thinking about buying a 2019 Ram 2500 limited diesel for 80,000

I'm not going to do it, but I'm damn sure thinking about it.


People have been thinking about leaving California for a long time and people have. But the majority stay put and will continue to stay put until they can't.

[jbgusa]

Originally Posted by V8 Vega

I hope California Democrats overdo it to the point where people finally get fed up and start to vote in Republicans

California has, until recently, been a purple to slightly Republican-leaning state.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by EA

That is NOT an ad hominem attack....

I didn’t say it was .

It was, however, a garden variety, off-topic snark intended as an insult.

[kwong7]

Disclosure: I fall center-right on fiscal policy and pretty much "California-center" on social issues.

My overgeneralized opinion is that Democrats tax-and-spend to create new regulations, agencies, and programs to fix or mitigate problems that they perceive. Problems like:

The Enron fiasco (market manipulation as a result of deregulation)
The housing/credit bubble (systemic manipulation of credit ratings agencies, MBS, CDS, etc)
lack of affordable housing (the result of the above...home builders fear overbuilding demand)
pollution
infrastructure
access to affordable healthcare
public education
natural disaster mitigation/recovery
mental health/substance abuse/housing insecurity

Sometimes the solutions comes with unintended consequences and sometimes the pendulum swings too far beyond the initial issue. Rather than reevaluating/revampping current or previous programs/agencies, Dems typically want to start and fund new programs through taxation. In this case, Brown/Newsom have built up a "rainy day" fund and all new programs will not get to tap that fund or the general fund for that matter; they'd rather raise taxes in other areas to pay for it. I don't think they're doing anything malevolent but they fear California heading towards bankruptcy again so much that they keep incrementally taxing here and there.

Overgeneralizing the Republican position: Republicans don't like new taxes, and Republicans aren't wild about old taxes either. Government gets too bloated and reliant on taxing that it can stifle growth and innovation.

To answer the OP, it probably will never be enough until businesses and its people complain or leave the state, or analysis shows that taxation have exhausted the ROI or taxation and new programs have reached a diminishing marginal utility. In other words, we're relatively paying more for relatively less improvement.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by expatCA

Perhaps unsurprisingly, a January 2019 survey by Edelman Intelligence found that 53% of California residents are thinking about leaving the state to escape the high costs.

Haven't we discussed the Edelman survey before? It's a PR company. Apparently they don't think much of the residents of California.

https://www.edelman.com/sites/g/file...aign=downloads

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by CA4Now

Haven't we discussed the Edelman survey before? It's a PR company. Apparently they don't think much of the residents of California.

https://www.edelman.com/sites/g/file...aign=downloads

Just saw it and quoted it. Apparently the number of people they spoke with that wanted to leave were, 53%. What they think or don't think is not an issue, rather the responses they got.


https://www.edelmanintelligence.com/


StrategyOne, Inc., d/b/a Edelman Intelligence, is a global research and analytics consultancy firm owned by Edelman.
Led by Antoine Harary, the firm oversees the agency’s approach to reputation, branding and communications research. The firm helps companies and organizations understand their markets and environment, segment and profile key audiences, optimize content and messaging, and measure the impact of campaigns and business outcomes.
Edelman Intelligence is ranked among the top 50 U.S. market research and analytics companies in the American Marketing Association’s (AMA) 2018 Gold Report. [1]



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StrategyOne

[expatCA]

Originally Posted by kwong7

Disclosure: I fall center-right on fiscal policy and pretty much "California-center" on social issues.

My overgeneralized opinion is that Democrats tax-and-spend to create new regulations, agencies, and programs to fix or mitigate problems that they perceive. Problems like:

The Enron fiasco (market manipulation as a result of deregulation)
The housing/credit bubble (systemic manipulation of credit ratings agencies, MBS, CDS, etc)
lack of affordable housing (the result of the above...home builders fear overbuilding demand)
pollution
infrastructure
access to affordable healthcare
public education
natural disaster mitigation/recovery
mental health/substance abuse/housing insecurity

Sometimes the solutions comes with unintended consequences and sometimes the pendulum swings too far beyond the initial issue. Rather than reevaluating/revampping current or previous programs/agencies, Dems typically want to start and fund new programs through taxation. In this case, Brown/Newsom have built up a "rainy day" fund and all new programs will not get to tap that fund or the general fund for that matter; they'd rather raise taxes in other areas to pay for it. I don't think they're doing anything malevolent but they fear California heading towards bankruptcy again so much that they keep incrementally taxing here and there.

Overgeneralizing the Republican position: Republicans don't like new taxes, and Republicans aren't wild about old taxes either. Government gets too bloated and reliant on taxing that it can stifle growth and innovation.

To answer the OP, it probably will never be enough until businesses and its people complain or leave the state, or analysis shows that taxation have exhausted the ROI or taxation and new programs have reached a diminishing marginal utility. In other words, we're relatively paying more for relatively less improvement.

Keep in mind if raising taxes year after year worked they would not have the problems they do now. It is miss spending, wasted spending, etc. What parties say something is for an where it actually goes are about 180 degrees apart. Both parties.

[bmw335xi]

Originally Posted by eureka1

I'm a retiree, and a taxpayer. If I can afford to live here, anyone can. If you can't , you should move to Texas. Let us know how you like it.

If you are a retiree than you probably don't pay much in taxes lol.

[ComoAmero]

Originally Posted by ysr_racer

Yeah, and medium income family's keep fleeing. Also, families concerned about personal freedoms, and families concerned about the ever rising taxes, and families concerned about the ever liberal degradation of our schools, and families concerned about the ever rising homeless population, and families concerned about the ever rising number of illegal immigrants...

You sound like you'd be much happier moving to someplace like Alabama, Mississippi, or Louisiana. I'm sure your tax burden would be much lower there. Families concerned about personal freedoms? I'm sure your female relatives would be much happier living under the "personal freedom" that is given to them under Alabama's new laws.
Families concerned about the ever liberal degradation of our schools? I have no doubt that your children or grandchildren would be much better off being taught that science is a lie, and that the world is only 6000 years old and that there is no such thing as evolution. Perhaps when they advance, they'll be taught that the world is flat and that vaccines cause autism also.
Ever rising homeless population? Yeah, you"re right. I'm sure there's absolutely no homelessness in those states at all.
So why stay and fight it out in California when you could lower your taxes by moving to one of those states where everything is just hunky-dory?

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by expatCA

Just saw it and quoted it. Apparently the number of people they spoke with that wanted to leave were, 53%. What they think or don't think is not an issue, rather the responses they got.

Right. Don't need to read any further than their headlines (and in all caps, no less):

"CALIFORNIANS ARE AMBIVALENT TOWARD THEIR ENGINES OF PROSPERITY, EVEN AS THE ENVY OF OTHERS
CALIFORNIANS ARE SKEPTICS
Average Trust in CA: 39% -10%
GOLDEN STATE WORRIERS: CALIFORNIANS SEE CALIFORNIA PAST ITS PRIME"