California's new ammunition law takes effect July 1st (transport, title)

[Woody01]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

If that was meant for me, you are mistaken. I'm not an "anti-gunner", my husband and I both own guns. I simply pointed out a reason that the idea of DOJ trying to make assumptions about what guns you own based on your ammo purchases makes no sense at all.

If that's true, my apologies...but I still wouldn't call you 'pro-gun' if you think the new ammo law is ok......sorry JMHO....

[HB2HSV]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

Why? If you took ammo it out of state and you're bringing it back in to California you haven't broken any law

Oh you've broken the law.... if you get caught.

[HB2HSV]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

It wouldn't matter if a CHP was waiting, they would need probable cause to get a search warrant to search your trunk. And just seeing or being told there was ammo in your trunk wouldn't be the basis for a search warrant

Hmmm... "probable cause"... let's see

* 1 mph over the speed limit

* broken tail light <SMACK!>

* "Swirling while driving"

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by HB2HSV

Oh you've broken the law.... if you get caught.

nope, you haven't. Here's the relevant language:

30314.
(a) Commencing January 1, 2018, a resident of this state shall not bring or transport into this state any ammunition that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained from outside of this state unless he or she first has that ammunition delivered to a licensed ammunition vendor for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 30312.

If you legally bought ammo in California, whether or not it was before the effective date of this law, there is no restriction on you taking it out of state, and the law only prohibits you from bringing ammo into California that was purchased or otherwise acquired outside of the state. It was neither, it is ammo I left with and am returning to California with

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by HB2HSV

Hmmm... "probable cause"... let's see

* 1 mph over the speed limit

* broken tail light <SMACK!>

* "Swirling while driving"

nope, that is not probable cause for a search warrant. But seriously, why do you want to argue this? DOJ employees aren't going to follow you into the state and go to a judge to get a search warrant, that's just plain silly, and the first time you break this law you can't even get arrested for it, you get a notice to appear because it's an infraction- so how excited are cops going to be about arresting you?

[Reziac]

Originally Posted by Woody01

shows how clueless anti-gunners are....

...and if we were as violent they believe, there'd be no anti-gunners left...

Me, I've never bought ammo for someone else's gun, but I've been given ammo -- some for a gun I don't own.

Well, there's a way to poison the database... get together and everyone buy ammo for everyone else's guns. Suddenly everyone shows up as owning every gun in the armory.

Originally Posted by Woody01

...they will be able to figure out which guns you may have via this process..think about it...

Some years ago there was a proposal that animal control could track down unlicensed pets by requiring a permit to buy dog food. That one didn't fly, but it's basically the same approach.

[Reziac]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

nope, you haven't. Here's the relevant language:

30314.
(a) Commencing January 1, 2018, a resident of this state shall not bring or transport into this state any ammunition that he or she purchased or otherwise obtained from outside of this state unless he or she first has that ammunition delivered to a licensed ammunition vendor for delivery to that resident pursuant to the procedures set forth in Section 30312.

If you legally bought ammo in California, whether or not it was before the effective date of this law, there is no restriction on you taking it out of state, and the law only prohibits you from bringing ammo into California that was purchased or otherwise acquired outside of the state. It was neither, it is ammo I left with and am returning to California with

So... you got a receipt showing you bought it in CA?

[ysr_racer]

Forget about CA DOJ watching the borders, what if they're watching this website?

[Woody01]

Originally Posted by 2sleepy

nope, that is not probable cause for a search warrant. But seriously, why do you want to argue this? DOJ employees aren't going to follow you into the state and go to a judge to get a search warrant, that's just plain silly, and the first time you break this law you can't even get arrested for it, you get a notice to appear because it's an infraction- so how excited are cops going to be about arresting you?

You're very naive.....I won't do your research for you, but go and Google 'CA DOJ crosses state lines' or 'CA DOJ arrests out of state purchases'

They do not need a search warrant to pull you over and search your vehicle.....you do not understand probable cause obviously......this already happening.

Wake up! Particularly if you're gun owner 'as you claim'.....

[2sleepy]

Originally Posted by Reziac

So... you got a receipt showing you bought it in CA?

You don't need one, it's not incumbent on you to prove it, it's on the state to prove you didn't.