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Umm not one bit. Those on the Right are very Pro Israel. It's the Leftists Liberals that are all about trying to elevate the Hamas and pro Palestine movement. As far as I'm concerned there is something in the water in Berzerkely causing early failures of their mental faculties. They just ain't right
There's just too much assumption, inference, myopic political ideology and ego stroking in your post, I just don't have the time to do a point by point rebuttal. Here's what it boils down to:
1)Conservatives want to leave California for A,B,C reasons.
2) They're our OPINIONS.
3) Our opinions don't make us right, they don't make you wrong.
4) We don't care what your reasons for liking California is, we politely disagree.
5) Stop foisting your ideological talking points upon this discussion.
6) This is a discussion about why CONSERVATIVES want to leave California.
7) Start your own post about why you think California is so great. I promise, we don't care and won't hijack it with our political ideology.
8) that is all.
You need to reread the original post, it said all are welcome to chime in. I left NYC to come to San Diego in California and I am not the only one (see below), so I thought I could post here.
You really think if I made a post on some of the current events in San Diego (see below), no conservatives would hijack this thread with their ideology. If that is indeed the case, I have a bridge in my old hometown I would love to sell you. Cheap, too.
That said, your opinions do not make you wrong and I'm sure we do politely disagree on many issues. Again, it may even help conservatives to see my viewpoints.
Great thread topic and would really wish to hear more about conservative leaning people leaving Ca. and where they end up, and less arguing about politics.
Yes, the question is asked of "conservatives" which of course invites controversy and TDS, (but those pesky Russian troll bots sure like to infiltrate message boards and watch Americans fight! Just kidding!... sorta. )
So... I'm California born and raised, slightly right of center I guess, and many friends are liberal, but not leftist. It's the extreme leftism that does concern me and is very different from the liberalism I grew up with, for example shutting down free speech on college campuses, the very place where speakers of all kinds should be allowed to state their case no matter how upsetting, then intelligently challenged. I guess those are the old days.
Unfortunately, cause life and being a dummy, I don't have a million dollar house to sell, but hubby and I still ponder moving somewhere to a state where we could get a little place. As for politics, we're really live and let live. I wouldn't want to live in a place like Berkeley where I've seen "Fu*k Isreal" bumper stickers (pardon my *) or an area where those Westboro Baptist family types live. Wouldn't want to live in an area where people keying cars with Christian symbols are common, or ignored by neighbors if one doesn't attend church.
I have a feeling most places in this great country are neither of those extremes. At least I hope.
Anyway, still looking as I'm now tired of my husband's raises chasing the rent raises!
There's 30% on each side of the political aisle that just have their feet stuck in the sand and no matter what sort of reasoning or facts you throw in their face they're just not going to budge. And then there's the 40% in the middle. That's the 40% that politicians fight over. Even though I am conservative, I am not a Trumper, in fact, I would just as soon vote for Tulsi Gabbard over Trump...if the DNC wasn't railroading her.
Yes, Berkeley, which is 80 minutes to my West, has become the epitome of intolerance and cancel culture. Unfortunately I think Berkeley is just the beginning. Which is why many of us Californians are looking to leave, the writing is on the wall. But the Westboro Baptist types are just as bad, which is why most of us will elect to not settle near them.
Regardless of which state we end up in we're always going to be around people on the opposite spectrum of whatever topic is discussed. The issue isn't whether or not we can get along, the issue is just listening to opposing sides with an open mind. In the old days when Reagan was President and Tip O'Neill was speaker of the house, they somehow managed to get things done. My oh my how things have changed.
Now, I might not change you, and you might not change me, but the important thing is rational dialogue. And that is something that is just not existing in this country right now. Especially in California.
In the end I have to laugh at the anti Trump Leftists out there. They haven't got a freaking clue what he REALLY supports and promotes. The idea of promoting a discontinuation of allowance of Illegals entering (and being supported in this country happens to be the LAW currently on the books. He has NEVER been anti Hispanic. You Leftists seem to think that the law means nothing and isn't to be supported. That IS Anti American. Also leaning against love of Muslims shouldn't be some huge shock. Ever read the Koran? I got news for you if you ever do you'll easily find many references to the fact YOU are an "infidel" if you are not one of them and a follower of Muhammed all the way. It also states clear as a bell YOU as an infidel are to be killed...slaughtered......eliminated. Don't listen to me go read it. It's been there all along but even the members of "The Squad" that are Muslim don't allow this to come to the surface. Get a clue. A religion that recommends and supports killing others not of their faith are NOT to be supported either living here or being a part of our society......or you're simply opening the door to a future murderous run. Like it or not them are the facts........just read it and get back to me.
Trump “supports and promotes” one thing ... and only one thing: himself. ‘Effing pathological, narcissistic liar, cheat, sociopathic ...
... and I can name a list of very well known, highly regarded, excellent, life-long conservatives I support and respect all day long who 110% agree with my statement above.
There's 30% on each side of the political aisle that just have their feet stuck in the sand and no matter what sort of reasoning or facts you throw in their face they're just not going to budge. And then there's the 40% in the middle. That's the 40% that politicians fight over. Even though I am conservative, I am not a Trumper, in fact, I would just as soon vote for Tulsi Gabbard over Trump...if the DNC wasn't railroading her.
Yes, Berkeley, which is 80 minutes to my West, has become the epitome of intolerance and cancel culture. Unfortunately I think Berkeley is just the beginning. Which is why many of us Californians are looking to leave, the writing is on the wall. But the Westboro Baptist types are just as bad, which is why most of us will elect to not settle near them.
Regardless of which state we end up in we're always going to be around people on the opposite spectrum of whatever topic is discussed. The issue isn't whether or not we can get along, the issue is just listening to opposing sides with an open mind. In the old days when Reagan was President and Tip O'Neill was speaker of the house, they somehow managed to get things done. My oh my how things have changed.
Now, I might not change you, and you might not change me, but the important thing is rational dialogue. And that is something that is just not existing in this country right now. Especially in California.
Good luck to you and your husband.
I think this is an important point... it's not just the conservatives that are leaving California. A lot of people in the middle politically are disturbed at the direction California is going and don't want to be a part of its future. The extremes on both sides are crowding others out throughout the country. I'm from California originally and while my circumstances would make it hard to move back, the trend towards socialism there makes me not feel too bad about it. Of course, it's possible we could end out with a socialist president at some point, but even if that happened Congress and the judiciary would be able to restrain him. California seems to be headed towards a full-scale embrace of the far left.
There's 30% on each side of the political aisle that just have their feet stuck in the sand and no matter what sort of reasoning or facts you throw in their face they're just not going to budge. And then there's the 40% in the middle. That's the 40% that politicians fight over. Even though I am conservative, I am not a Trumper, in fact, I would just as soon vote for Tulsi Gabbard over Trump...if the DNC wasn't railroading her.
Yes, Berkeley, which is 80 minutes to my West, has become the epitome of intolerance and cancel culture. Unfortunately I think Berkeley is just the beginning. Which is why many of us Californians are looking to leave, the writing is on the wall. But the Westboro Baptist types are just as bad, which is why most of us will elect to not settle near them.
Regardless of which state we end up in we're always going to be around people on the opposite spectrum of whatever topic is discussed. The issue isn't whether or not we can get along, the issue is just listening to opposing sides with an open mind. In the old days when Reagan was President and Tip O'Neill was speaker of the house, they somehow managed to get things done. My oh my how things have changed.
So this is all fairly reasonable.
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Originally Posted by NorCalMan
Now, I might not change you, and you might not change me, but the important thing is rational dialogue. And that is something that is just not existing in this country right now. Especially in California.
So have you actually tried to talk to people in person? Like, not on Facebook or the internet? And I don't mean walking up to a political rally or university speaker that is designed to incite people.
I talk to people fairly often about politics here in CA and have somehow managed to have relatively rational dialogue and normal conversations. But mostly the people I talk to actually don't want to discuss politics in person and would much rather talk about some movie, sporting event, work gossip, or who knows what. So the fact that this has bothered you to such an extreme it has made you want to pack up and move, is honestly very strange to me.
There you go twisting words again. The topic is intolerance on the left, not who is the most violent people in America. Follow along for once.
Your second paragraph just further illustrates the patronizing, condescending tone you libs take. You can't help but talk down to people. You have no idea what I know or don't know about party politics and affiliation. You just assume.
And if you're a libertarian then I'm Magic Johnson. Nothing in your previous posts at all indicate that you're a libertarian. On the contrary, your posts have all been about demeaning those of us with differing view points. If the core tenants of libertarianism is individualism, limited government, the rule of law, and the individual being free to make his or her own choices according to his or her own desires ;then you, my friend, are the antithesis of Libertarian.
I'm just reading what you wrote. If that's not what you meant, go ahead and correct yourself.
I'm also quite confident what political venue I reside in. Pleased to meet you Mr. Johnson.
I think this is an important point... it's not just the conservatives that are leaving California. A lot of people in the middle politically are disturbed at the direction California is going and don't want to be a part of its future. The extremes on both sides are crowding others out throughout the country. I'm from California originally and while my circumstances would make it hard to move back, the trend towards socialism there makes me not feel too bad about it. Of course, it's possible we could end out with a socialist president at some point, but even if that happened Congress and the judiciary would be able to restrain him. California seems to be headed towards a full-scale embrace of the far left.
It's interesting to look at Exit polling figures for the last two elections. I'm not 100% on all facts and figures but, I think 25 of the 58 counties in California did not vote for HRC, they voted for Trump. In the gubernatorial election I think it was 27 of the counties did not vote for Newsom, they voted for John Cox. So, while the majority of counties did vote blue, it is nowhere near the supermajority that is represented in the assembly. Unfortunately it's the population centers, as it is in any state, that drives the politics for the state. Here that's SF, Silicon Valley, Los Angeles, etc.
Now before anybody thinks this is something new, one just has to look up the State of Jefferson. That was a movement that happened BEFORE the outset of World War II. Having formerly lived in an area that was in the state of Jefferson I can 100%, unequivocally, no doubt in my mind say, that California should be broken up into two, possibly three states. The interests of SF and LA do not represent the interests of the State of Jefferson. Nor do they represent the majority of the counties that are in the eastern half of the state that abut Nevada. Placer County, Nevada County, El Dorado County, Alpine County, Mono County, Inyo County, and Siskiyou County have historically not voted blue for the most part. So it's not just the state of Jefferson( which encompasses parts of Southern Oregon) it's also very large counties on the other side of the state from San Francisco and LA that are not represented by the people that are currently in power.
Since the state of Jefferson movement is turning 80 years old, I'm not holding my breath that it's going to happen anytime soon. And we all know that Democrats in this state will fight tooth and nail to not let California be broken up, not to mention that a federal vote that would most likely shoot it down, the next best option is for conservatives to move out of the state.
It's interesting to look at Exit polling figures for the last two elections. I'm not 100% on all facts and figures but, I think 25 of the 58 counties in California did not vote for HRC, they voted for Trump. In the gubernatorial election I think it was 27 of the counties did not vote for Newsom, they voted for John Cox. So, while the majority of counties did vote blue, it is nowhere near the supermajority that is represented in the assembly. Unfortunately it's the population centers, as it is in any state, that drives the politics for the state. Here that's SF, Silicon Valley, Los Angeles, etc.
Now before anybody thinks this is something new, one just has to look up the State of Jefferson. That was a movement that happened BEFORE the outset of World War II. Having formerly lived in an area that was in the state of Jefferson I can 100%, unequivocally, no doubt in my mind say, that California should be broken up into two, possibly three states. The interests of SF and LA do not represent the interests of the State of Jefferson. Nor do they represent the majority of the counties that are in the eastern half of the state that abut Nevada. Placer County, Nevada County, El Dorado County, Alpine County, Mono County, Inyo County, and Siskiyou County have historically not voted blue for the most part. So it's not just the state of Jefferson( which encompasses parts of Southern Oregon) it's also very large counties on the other side of the state from San Francisco and LA that are not represented by the people that are currently in power.
Since the state of Jefferson movement is turning 80 years old, I'm not holding my breath that it's going to happen anytime soon. And we all know that Democrats in this state will fight tooth and nail to not let California be broken up, not to mention that a federal vote that would most likely shoot it down, the next best option is for conservatives to move out of the state.
I'm in Illinois now and we have the same phenomenon... the Chicago area is more populous than the rest of the state combined and is Democratic, and the downstate areas are more Republican. The whole state is losing people, but the downstate areas are losing people at a faster rate. One big difference with California is that we have a recent history of electing Republicans (including the last governor) so there isn't as much of a feeling of being unrepresented downstate. In the 2018 election though, there was a reaction to Trump which gave the Democrats a sweep of the legislature and the governor's office. A similar thing happened in New York. So we have this trend of polarization all over the US which seems to be self-perpetuating... as the nation polarizes people in the minority party tend to move to where they're in the majority. Not sure what can be done about this. The Jefferson state idea is amusing but I can't see that sort of thing ever actually happening.
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