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Old 09-25-2020, 07:43 PM
 
Location: On the water.
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Well remember this. The long term goal of both Uber and Lyft is to dismiss all drivers once autonomous driving becomes mainstream, so their motives aren't exactly pure for this and other reasons.
True. In fact, they share that goal with nearly every employer in the world: get rid of as many employees as possible.

Vote Yang 2024.
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Old 09-26-2020, 12:05 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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You still aren’t answering the question I raised: what is stopping republicans from competing for the union support? What insurmountable, unfair advantage has “The Evil Left” stolen from the GOP that makes it impossible for the right to make their case and win those hearts and minds?

I did in my first post, but this is common knowledge. Unions support city bosses who ensure city work is union only. The unions provide the votes, the officials provide the expensive contracts. This is a fundamental peg in the city machines of the East. Everyone knows that. The Democrats supporting the unions essentially blocked their ability to support immigration, which is a Republican stronghold. As both sides appear ready to now support legal immigration, we should have seen a bill from Congress by now.



That we haven't, tells me that Democrats actually don't support reforming immigration. They like to talk about open borders, but deep down know it will never happen and can't happen and only offer accolades on things that won't ever pass. They like their illegal immigrants in the shadows, seeking safety from them against the big bad law abiders. Essentially the new slavery, by maintaining millions of non-citizens in limbo.



Where's Pelosi's actual immigration reform bill. The Dems fought Reagan and the Bushes...but they say they've seen the light...but where's the actual bill? They don't have one. They aren't going to push for one. They want their new polite slave source. What's sad is how many that are being kept down actually will now support their oppressors.
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Old 09-26-2020, 01:54 AM
 
Location: On the water.
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I did in my first post, but this is common knowledge. Unions support city bosses who ensure city work is union only. The unions provide the votes, the officials provide the expensive contracts. This is a fundamental peg in the city machines of the East. Everyone knows that. The Democrats supporting the unions essentially blocked their ability to support immigration, which is a Republican stronghold. As both sides appear ready to now support legal immigration, we should have seen a bill from Congress by now.



That we haven't, tells me that Democrats actually don't support reforming immigration. They like to talk about open borders, but deep down know it will never happen and can't happen and only offer accolades on things that won't ever pass. They like their illegal immigrants in the shadows, seeking safety from them against the big bad law abiders. Essentially the new slavery, by maintaining millions of non-citizens in limbo.



Where's Pelosi's actual immigration reform bill. The Dems fought Reagan and the Bushes...but they say they've seen the light...but where's the actual bill? They don't have one. They aren't going to push for one. They want their new polite slave source. What's sad is how many that are being kept down actually will now support their oppressors.
*whoosh*

You just really don’t even slightly getting what I am asking, do you? You, and so many others, keep wailing about the Democrats’ doing this that and the other thing ... as if Republicans can’t do the same thing, or other gamesmanship to compete for the support. As if there are different ‘effing laws for the two parties to abide by.

Wtf?

Nothing is uniquely restricting the GOP from going after the same unions and voters. Nothing is stopping the GOP from running biased media machines., either. (As if FOX isn’t the leading mainstream media?) There are no similar advantages being denied. Nothing unfair.

And all the wailing is all the more ridiculous coming from the party that is in control of the White House, Senate, and now the judiciary. Does gerrymandering ring a bell with you, speaking of pulling strings the other side can’t?!

Criminey! Just stop with the underdog crap already.

And I’m not even a Democrat!
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Old 09-26-2020, 11:59 AM
 
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And all the wailing is all the more ridiculous coming from the party that is in control of the White House, Senate, and now the judiciary. Does gerrymandering ring a bell with you, speaking of pulling strings the other side can’t?!

Criminey! Just stop with the underdog crap already.
I've been saying for about 24 months now that the least we should get for 4 years of Trump hell is the end to all the "country is going to hell in a handbasket" from the Right. They've gotten absolutely everything they want and they're still just as miserable as they were when Obama was in office.

Maybe instead of electing them a government, we just need to give them a lifetime of free Prozac. They seem to need anti-depressants more than they need a government that acts in their interests.
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Old 09-26-2020, 12:03 PM
 
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And am I missing something? There's a ballot measure on this, so the voters will ultimately decide.
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Old 09-26-2020, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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*whoosh*

You just really don’t even slightly getting what I am asking, do you? You, and so many others, keep wailing about the Democrats’ doing this that and the other thing ... as if Republicans can’t do the same thing, or other gamesmanship to compete for the support. As if there are different ‘effing laws for the two parties to abide by.

Wtf?

Nothing is uniquely restricting the GOP from going after the same unions and voters. Nothing is stopping the GOP from running biased media machines., either. (As if FOX isn’t the leading mainstream media?) There are no similar advantages being denied. Nothing unfair.

And all the wailing is all the more ridiculous coming from the party that is in control of the White House, Senate, and now the judiciary. Does gerrymandering ring a bell with you, speaking of pulling strings the other side can’t?!

Criminey! Just stop with the underdog crap already.

And I’m not even a Democrat!

No, you are the one that doesn't get it. Republicans don't support unions. They are ideologically opposed institutions, and unlike Democrats who will pretend to support immigration, but only on an extreme proposal they know won't pass. Republicans won't support it when otherwise unaffected and disinterested parties insert themselves into an agreement they otherwise have not business in. That could be a union, that could be a rent control portion of the government, that could be some ridiculous attempt to tax individual wealth where income tax has already been paid.



Republicans support workers by allowing businesses a fast path to growth where there will be more competition for their labor. To date, socialist state has still failed to find a way to welfare itself into offering better jobs. They know that once you statutorily protect people in a position, those people will have less incentive to do good. The only movement forward is based on years, and nobody ahead of them will leave, and there is no exit that is voluntary which none will make because of benefit bronze handcuffs. That's bad enough for the first generation. But the generation after that sees a different type of person interested in that position. Not one inherently drawn to be skilled or good at that role, but instead one drawn merely to the salary and benefit protection that is offered. That's when things start to break.


In the 1960s, California arguably had the world's best education system. Spending per capita has soared since then. Has it gotten better?
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Old 09-26-2020, 01:08 PM
 
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Republicans support workers by allowing businesses a fast path to growth where there will be more competition for their labor.
Nice in ideology but it doesn't happen in practice. I find most people who believe in unregulated capitalism have never been an employee of a large corporation. They're either small business owners or lifetime government workers who have never been subject to outsourcing, downsizing, or automation.

Fact is, the most costly expense for large companies is salaries, not taxes. And to continue the growth trends that return stock dividends, they have to increasingly lower that salary budget. The idea that competition increases salaries might have been true a few decades ago, but global outsourcing has simply made it possible to move the jobs out of the US if need be.

The irony about Republican policies is that one of the most pro-business moves they could make is supporting universal healthcare that takes the burden of health insurance off of business and places it on individuals (ie taxpayers). That move alone would make us more globally competitive and save millions of jobs. But as is the case with many conservative voters, they perpetually vote against their own interests and accomplish nothing of real value to US workers.
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Old 09-26-2020, 01:10 PM
 
Location: southern california
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It’s not new or newsom forgive the pun
It open hostility towards business in California
Uber is a huge employer
Probably the last straw is stand down orders to police in the face of mob violence against businesses
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Old 09-26-2020, 02:57 PM
 
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Uber is pretty much like a light at an old motel that flickers on and off

Sometimes it works, sometimes it's like it's been abandoned

So this law killed that service. I tried to use it the other day and they wanted $34 to go two miles, then it flickered and asked for $24, then $10, and so I clicked for it and never registers with the driver so I end up walking.
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Old 09-28-2020, 07:08 AM
 
Location: Silicon Valley
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Nice in ideology but it doesn't happen in practice. I find most people who believe in unregulated capitalism have never been an employee of a large corporation. They're either small business owners or lifetime government workers who have never been subject to outsourcing, downsizing, or automation.

Fact is, the most costly expense for large companies is salaries, not taxes. And to continue the growth trends that return stock dividends, they have to increasingly lower that salary budget. The idea that competition increases salaries might have been true a few decades ago, but global outsourcing has simply made it possible to move the jobs out of the US if need be.

The irony about Republican policies is that one of the most pro-business moves they could make is supporting universal healthcare that takes the burden of health insurance off of business and places it on individuals (ie taxpayers). That move alone would make us more globally competitive and save millions of jobs. But as is the case with many conservative voters, they perpetually vote against their own interests and accomplish nothing of real value to US workers.

The best place for ideology is where California once was. It was a purple state. Democrats try different things to move things forward, Republicans try and cut things it feels are unnecessary. Things go through a renewal cycle. This is necessary for any/all organizations to stay relevent. However change is hard. As organizations seek self protection from this, they no longer have to rely upon positive results to stay funded.



You are correct in that the largest expense to employers is (depending on industry) either materials going into their product or labor. California with her ports and large immigrant population had better access to a world supply chain first. California with her world class education system produced more STEM workers locally which allowed for a boom. The two events formed a virtuous circle in becoming the Hollywood for engineers in Norcal. This is where you go. Yet as success came, the governance that was once good in the State became monolithic, and now rather obtrusive. The MTA wants 60% of jobs to be work from home, not from covid, but ongoing in order to spare the air. Meanwhile, the State would like all new homes to have solar panels. DEHA wants to make ANY accusation of harassment to be a guilty offense against the company to which it has no legal defense. That number 1 cost of labor just got a whole lot more difficult to have in California from the rest of the country.



One of our largest industries is medicine and medical technology. Before granting the government the ability to....overnight....create what would be the largest company in the world...with no firm plans on how it would actually be staffed, paid for or continue to operate....go visit a VA hospital and speak with the patients. See if that is the level of care you would like to have. See how many services it now outsources because it can't keep up itself. If you can, audit the engagement/competency level of the staff who can't be fired.


In my humble opinion. Obamacare would not have become enemy #1 of some on the right had it stuck to giving people an option and setup minimums of qualified care. That alone I don't think has any opposition. I think where it ran into problems is that it required coverage or taxation and most importantly, attacked those that had worked out nice Cadillac health plans for themselves. The first part is a regulation. The second part is a direct intervention into requiring a purchase (making it a tax) and then requiring the purchase of an inferior product in lieu of a superior one.



But rather than the two sides working through their disagreements, one side is wanting to kill it completely while the other side wants to morph it into insurance into the sole provider. WTF?


The reality is the Democrats can't save your jobs if your jobs are going away. They can only slow things down....but in doing so also slow down a company's ability to shift and stay relevant. Certainly those roadblocks are good in circumstances where it has become too easy to hire and fire at whim....but the other extreme also holds. If you make companies brittle, they shatter easily.



At least that's what this former long time big company worker (working in 46 states/19 countries) turned smaller business exec thinks.
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