California bans hotels from using tiny plastic bottles (live, codes)

[citizensadvocate]

You can also argue that Humans survived without modern medicine for that long. Survival of the fittest. Let nature’s natural population control take course rather than try to resist it. There was no such thing as retirement and taking care of the elderly for much of human history you just reach an age where you get sick and die. Normally not much later than 50.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by citizensadvocate

You can also argue that Humans survived without modern medicine for that long. Survival of the fittest. Let nature’s natural population control take course rather than try to resist it. There was no such thing as retirement and taking care of the elderly for much of human history you just reach an age where you get sick and die. Normally not much later than 50.

Your scientific / anthropological education is severely lacking. Mortality rates of ancient cultures are heavily weighted by deaths of infants and mothers in childbirth ... and then ran on an inverted “U” shaped bell through adolescence ... after which longevities increased into 70 year range. And the elderly were cared for and revered.

New Evidence That Grandmothers Were Crucial for Human Evolution
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...tion-88972191/

Why Grandmothers May Hold The Key To Human Evolution
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...uman-evolution

I can educate on this topic all day and for weeks. Primitive health and longevity and happiness denials are a favorite myth of mine to bust.

[citizensadvocate]

https://www.cagw.org/thewastewatcher...e-they-related

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/gutf...he-coronavirus

https://apple.news/AiI1RxHMJS8C0NIkDGEH4aQ

The world is pretty different than the old days.

https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentra...71-2458-10-719

I know there is many eco freaks trying to wage war on Air conditioning as well. While its true this invention didn’t exist until the last 60 years of human history. Widespread urbanization has lead to high population living in urban heat islands than ever before. Consequently causing massive amounts of heat related deaths during heatwaves Which then drove the widespread production of air conditioners.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.his...ughout-history

We might as well go back to horse and buggies and live in caves instead.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by citizensadvocate

https://www.cagw.org/thewastewatcher...e-they-related

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/gutf...he-coronavirus

https://apple.news/AiI1RxHMJS8C0NIkDGEH4aQ

Citizen, this is the California forum. All your links area about plastic bag bans in other states, one of which (New York) hasn't even started a plastic bag ban yet. And this thread is about disposable plastic bottles in hotels.

Originally Posted by citizensadvocate

The world is pretty different than the old days.
https://bmcpublichealth.biomedcentra...71-2458-10-719

This link is from 2010, about the decrease in seroprevalence of Hepatitis A after the implementation of nationwide disposable tableware use in Taiwan.

Originally Posted by citizensadvocate

I know there is many eco freaks trying to wage war on Air conditioning as well.

Air conditioning? Please start your own separate thread about this topic so as not to derail this one.

[citizensadvocate]

The point is why we have these modern day gadgets which we didn’t need in the past. The world had changed a lot in the last 150 years, So quit with the humans survived 10,000 without these nonsense. Though I know you too would just continue posting your pro ban agenda on city data.

New York’s ban started on March 1. But was suspended recently until May 15.
California should get rid of all these bans at state and local levels until this blow over.

And for the hotel bottle ban, lots of independent hotels are going to be out of business due to lawsuits in the event those refill bottles are contaminated for any reason including with COVID 19. i am not saying other parts of the hotel are sterile anyways. But it’s one more risk they have which should be avoided. It’s harder to clean the nozzles than surfaces, light switches, and even the tv remote. The sealed containers are there for the “guests” protection.

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by citizensadvocate

The point is why we have these modern day gadgets which we didn’t need in the past. The world had changed a lot in the last 150 years, So quit with the humans survived 10,000 without these nonsense. Though I know you too would just continue posting your pro ban agenda on city data.

New York’s ban started on March 1. But was suspended recently until May 15.
California should get rid of all these bans at state and local levels until this blow over.

Yes, citizen ... the world has changed ... needlessly. That’s the point. Humans have thrived for hundreds of thousands of years without this plastic crap. 10,000 years since leaving the caves. In the past 150 we have changed dramatically - for the worse. And are crapping up our environment with needless plastic and overpopulation. Plastic is what’s nonsense. Like all your posts.

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by citizensadvocate

So quit with the humans survived 10,000 without these nonsense. Though I know you too would just continue posting your pro ban agenda on city data.

It's a discussion forum, citizen. We're here to post our opinions. If you don't like opinions that differ from yours, ignore those posts or threads. BTW, no one here has a "pro ban agenda."

[CA4Now]

In a study released Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine*, an international team of physicians and researchers showed that surgical patients who had a build-up of micro and nanoplastics in their arterial plaque had a 2.1 times greater risk of nonfatal heart attack, nonfatal stroke or death from any cause in the three years post surgery than those who did not.

It’s the first study to show these ubiquitous and pernicious fossil fuel-based particles are having a direct effect on human health, said study co-author, Antonio Ceriello, head of the diabetes department at IRCCS MultiMedica, a research hospital in Milan.

As government officials, negotiators, environmental activists and corporate representatives get ready to gather next month in Ottawa to discuss a global ban on plastic pollution, many are hoping this study will help tip the scales to establish real and tangible regulations.

“This is a beginning ... whereby people are going to see plastic is not just harmful to whales or sea turtles. It’s not just litter on a beach in some faraway country. It’s in them and it has the potential to cause harm. I think it’s going to change the narrative,” said Dr. Philip Landrigan, director of the Program for Global Public Health and the Common Good at Boston College.

“To my knowledge, this is the first report to link microplastics with human disease,” said Landrigan, who was not involved in the study but wrote an accompanying essay** urging the global community to deliver on a “mandatory global cap on plastic production.”

Plastic has been found everywhere scientists have looked: From the deepest ocean trenches to the highest alpine peaks. Petroleum-based plastics do not biodegrade. Over time, they break down into smaller and smaller pieces — known as microplastics, microfibers and nanoplastics — and have been found in household dust, drinking water and human tissue and blood.

* https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa2309822

** https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMe2400683

https://www.latimes.com/environment/...scular-disease

[Ruth4Truth]

Originally Posted by Tulemutt

Your scientific / anthropological education is severely lacking. Mortality rates of ancient cultures are heavily weighted by deaths of infants and mothers in childbirth ... and then ran on an inverted “U” shaped bell through adolescence ... after which longevities increased into 70 year range. And the elderly were cared for and revered.

New Evidence That Grandmothers Were Crucial for Human Evolution
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...tion-88972191/

Why Grandmothers May Hold The Key To Human Evolution
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...uman-evolution

I can educate on this topic all day and for weeks. Primitive health and longevity and happiness denials are a favorite myth of mine to bust.

Fabulous post! Tulemutt to the rescue! Fighting fake news in a single bound! Grannie Power!

[Tulemutt]

Originally Posted by Ruth4Truth

Fabulous post! Tulemutt to the rescue! Fighting fake news in a single bound! Grannie Power!

Hahahaha … well really, all credit to anthropologists everywhere … sterling bunch … under appreciated .