16 Flu-Related Deaths Reported in California (Fortuna: costs, train, eat)

[opossum1]

Originally Posted by Badger09

I think it has to do more with our chemistry being different from person to person. We need some vaccinations, but in some cases we’ve taken it to far. With all of the vaccinations out there, we’re starting to undermine the ability for people’s bodies to build up immunity to this crap. This is opening a Pandora’s box of sorts to a superbug that’s going to have devastating consequences.

Yes, exactly, this is right. People already have crappy immune systems because of over-the-board concerns with "dirt" and using harsh chemicals to kill ever microbe (so they don't get to properly train their immune system in childhood) and starting to get many autoimmune diseases because their system is no longer working right. One of the diseases that comes in when immune system isn't working well is cancer. There's also allergy epidemic, literally, right now. These flu shots are like using oxy to treat pain from a minor scrape and getting addicted. And Big Pharma is getting sued for pushing oxy now... probably will be the same with flu shots eventually. Many free gullible lab rats and huge market for them. Vaccines that are administered once in a lifetime at least don't do as much damage potential as yearly vaccination. Funny, in some countries immunoglobulin injections or IV is a big thing against bad forms of flu (but you have to actually get flu first) instead of flu shots... and here it's flu shots. Guess where is more money?

[Abderian]

Originally Posted by suzy_q2010

If you break one you will be inhaling mercury vapor.

In other words, it does not matter whether there is mercury in the vaccine or not. Mercury is just a deflection.

Should people stop using fluorescent bulbs because they are hazardous waste? Do you refuse to enter any building that uses them?

Yes, I try to avoid being exposed to toxins whenever possible, whether they are in broken light bulbs or especially in vaccines. And that's not a good comparison. People know to avoid broken bulbs that contain mercury, and try to prevent and avoid accidental exposure whenever possible. No one is deliberately exposing themselves to broken bulbs, unlike willingly receiving certain flu shots. My hope is that due to my posts they will realize the same hazardous waste is in them.

Ultimately your fallback position is a conspiracy. I see.

It IS true that the FDA doesn't mention the fact that vials of multi-dose flu vaccines preserved with thimerosal are considered hazardous waste and have to be disposed of accordingly.

The closest thing it comes to saying anything about it is how to properly dispose of used needles and syringes.

https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/...d-other-sharps

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by Badger09

I think it has to do more with our chemistry being different from person to person. We need some vaccinations, but in some cases we’ve taken it to far. With all of the vaccinations out there, we’re starting to undermine the ability for people’s bodies to build up immunity to this crap. This is opening a Pandora’s box of sorts to a superbug that’s going to have devastating consequences.

Our own "natural" immune systems didn't do much to build up immunity to any of the VPDs before the vaccines, thus negating your argument(s). You both need to bone up on how the immune system works. Vaccines exist to help the immune system defend the body against these diseases. I think many people believe that giving vaccines is giving people antibodies. That is not active immunization, which is what all vaccines in use are for!

And this "hygiene" thing. How do you square that with the constant argument from anti-vaccine people that "sanitation" brought down the rates of communicable disease? How do those two things work together: "Eat dirt to stay healthy; sanitation stops disease"?

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by Abderian

Yes, I try to avoid being exposed to toxins whenever possible, whether they are in broken light bulbs or especially in vaccines. And that's not a good comparison. People know to avoid broken bulbs that contain mercury, and try to prevent and avoid accidental exposure whenever possible. No one is deliberately exposing themselves to broken bulbs, unlike willingly receiving certain flu shots. My hope is that due to my posts they will realize the same hazardous waste is in them.

It IS true that the FDA doesn't mention the fact that vials of multi-dose flu vaccines preserved with thimerosal are considered hazardous waste and have to be disposed of accordingly.

The closest thing it comes to saying anything about it is how to properly dispose of used needles and syringes.

https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/...d-other-sharps

There will never be an analogy that is acceptable to most anti-vaxers. It's always "that's different, nanny, nanny boo boo".

These hazardous waste laws must be fairly new. When there were more thimerosal-containing vaccines, we did not have to dispose of them separately. Of course, what you probably missed with your reading is that these laws only apply to full or partially full vials, not empty ones. But even then, there was no special disposal required.

[opossum1]

Originally Posted by Katarina Witt

Our own "natural" immune systems didn't do much to build up immunity to any of the VPDs before the vaccines, thus negating your argument(s). You both need to bone up on how the immune system works. Vaccines exist to help the immune system defend the body against these diseases. I think many people believe that giving vaccines is giving people antibodies. That is not active immunization, which is what all vaccines in use are for!

And this "hygiene" thing. How do you square that with the constant argument from anti-vaccine people that "sanitation" brought down the rates of communicable disease? How do those two things work together: "Eat dirt to stay healthy; sanitation stops disease"?

I don't need to bone up on biological science and common sense, sorry, m'aam... Mind your own flu vaccinations, so to speak. Some people don't understand the difference between common-sense hygiene and dosing everything with cholorox and other chemicals.

[Badger09]

Originally Posted by Katarina Witt

Our own "natural" immune systems didn't do much to build up immunity to any of the VPDs before the vaccines, thus negating your argument(s). You both need to bone up on how the immune system works. Vaccines exist to help the immune system defend the body against these diseases. I think many people believe that giving vaccines is giving people antibodies. That is not active immunization, which is what all vaccines in use are for!

And this "hygiene" thing. How do you square that with the constant argument from anti-vaccine people that "sanitation" brought down the rates of communicable disease? How do those two things work together: "Eat dirt to stay healthy; sanitation stops disease"?

Not everyone is supposed to survive getting sick. We’re so afraid to face death these days and hold on to all that is precious in life that we seem to want to forget we are not meant to be invincible organisms, yet we do everything we can to try and make it so. We’ve disrupted the natural order of things and again, this will have devastating consequences.

Let that be your life lesson for the day.

[opossum1]

Originally Posted by Badger09

Not everyone is supposed to survive getting sick. We’re so afraid to face death these days and hold on to all that is precious in life that we seem to want to forget we are not meant to be invincible organisms, yet we do everything we can to try and make it so. We’ve disrupted the natural order of things and again, this will have devastating consequences.

Let that be your life lesson for the day.

The consequences are already there....just look at anti-depressant and anti-anxiety drug use and dependency rates, not to mention opioid and meth epidemic and use of anti-histamines, plus cancer epidemic. Most of the population is fat and on something, free for Big Pharma to do whatever. For most, it became the norm, normal reality like it should be and is not being questioned.

[Katarina Witt]

Originally Posted by opossum1

I don't need to bone up on biological science and common sense, sorry, m'aam... Mind your own flu vaccinations, so to speak. Some people don't understand the difference between common-sense hygiene and dosing everything with cholorox and chemicals.

I think you do need to bone up on how the immune system works. "Common sense" isn't very common.

Originally Posted by Badger09

Not everyone is supposed to survive getting sick. We’re so afraid to face death these days and hold on to all that is precious in life that we seem to want to forget we are not meant to be invincible organisms, yet we do everything we can to try and make it so. We’ve disrupted the natural order of things and again, this will have devastating consequences.

Let that be your life lesson for the day.

Ah, my life lesson for the day is eugenics, hey? I don't need any "facing death" lectures from you, pal. Both my daughter (at age 14) and my husband have had cancer. I'm sorry we disrupted the natural order to save their lives.

[opossum1]

Originally Posted by Katarina Witt

I think you do need to bone up on how the immune system works. "Common sense" isn't very common.

No, I don't need, m'aam. You do.

[Abderian]

Originally Posted by Katarina Witt

These hazardous waste laws must be fairly new. When there were more thimerosal-containing vaccines, we did not have to dispose of them separately. Of course, what you probably missed with your reading is that these laws only apply to full or partially full vials, not empty ones. But even then, there was no special disposal required.

Yes, a full vial is especially considered hazardous waste due to how much thimerosal it contains. But before its contents are injected into you it's just full of magic holy water.

Thank goodness scientific knowledge and government action has advanced to the point where we're trying to avoid unnecessary hazardous waste getting into the environment. Maybe someday it will advance enough to avoid getting into people as well.